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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Thomas Weißschuh" <thomas.weissschuh@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Madhavan Srinivasan" <maddy@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"Christophe Leroy" <chleroy@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Bogendoerfer" <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	"Vincenzo Frascino" <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] x86/vdso: Respect COMPAT_32BIT_TIME
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2026 21:50:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2b1ac7b9-fcc8-4aa3-a0ad-eb37e4bce030@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49b7c9f9-198a-49f7-880b-6ae74d7bd985@zytor.com>

On Tue, Mar 3, 2026, at 19:11, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 2026-02-27 01:34, Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
>>>>
>>> The thing about gettimeofday() and time() is that they don't have
>>> a 64-bit version and libc implementations are expected to call
>>> clock_gettime() instead. The result was that there was never a
>>> patch to turn the off either.
>> 
>> gettimeofday() is currently the only way to get the timezone of the kernel.
>> But I guess this is a legacy thing anyways. If you say we should drop it,
>> let's drop it.
>> 
>
> The time zone in the kernel has never worked anyway, as it would require the
> kernel to contain at least the forward portion of the zoneinfo/tzdata table in
> order to actually work correctly. The only plausible use of it would be for
> local time-based filesystems like FAT, but I don't think we bother.
>
> A bigger question is whether or not we should omit these from the vDSO
> completely (potentially causing link failures) or replace them with stubs
> returning -ENOSYS.

I see no harm in keeping gettimeofday() in the vdso when
COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is turned on, as existing code will call it
no matter whether it's in the vdso or the syscall.

Equally, I see no point in having either version of
gettimeofday() or settimeofday() when COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is
disabled, as clearly anything calling it would pass incorrect
data for times past 2038.

Neither glibc nor musl support actually returning the kernel
timezone to callers of gettimeofday in modern versions that
support time64 syscalls.

      Arnd


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-03 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-27  6:57 [PATCH 0/7] vDSO: Respect COMPAT_32BIT_TIME Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27  6:57 ` [PATCH 1/7] x86/vdso: " Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27  8:51   ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-02-27  8:58     ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-02-27  9:34       ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-03 18:11         ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-03 20:50           ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2026-03-03 21:00             ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-03 21:27               ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-03-03 21:36                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-10  7:24             ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-04-13 15:59               ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-04-13 16:13                 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-04-13 16:57                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-04-14 10:16                     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-04  7:35           ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-04 18:30             ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-05  9:24               ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-05 23:57                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-06  9:42                   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-06 20:52                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-02-27  6:57 ` [PATCH 2/7] ARM: VDSO: " Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27  6:57 ` [PATCH 3/7] arm64: vdso32: " Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27  6:57 ` [PATCH 4/7] powerpc/vdso: " Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27  6:57 ` [PATCH 5/7] MIPS: VDSO: Drop kconfig MIPS_CLOCK_VSYSCALL Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27  8:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-02-27  9:31     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27 10:03       ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-02-27 10:17         ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27  6:57 ` [PATCH 6/7] MIPS: VDSO: Respect COMPAT_32BIT_TIME Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27  6:57 ` [PATCH 7/7] vdso/gettimeofday: Verify COMPAT_32BIT_TIME interactions Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-27  8:49   ` Arnd Bergmann

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