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From: Leonardo Bras <leo.bras@arm.com>
To: Tian Zheng <zhengtian10@huawei.com>
Cc: Leonardo Bras <leo.bras@arm.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@kernel.org>,
	maz@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
	yuzenghui@huawei.com, wangzhou1@hisilicon.com,
	yangjinqian1@huawei.com, caijian11@h-partners.com,
	liuyonglong@huawei.com, yezhenyu2@huawei.com,
	yubihong@huawei.com, linuxarm@huawei.com, joey.gouly@arm.com,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, seiden@linux.ibm.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/6] KVM: arm64: Add auto DBM support for hardware dirty tracking
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 13:58:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <al4bYajWE-v6wofu@LeoBrasDK> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpIfIOFfrudBzD5@LeoBrasDK>

On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 04:21:32PM +0100, Leonardo Bras wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 11:58:06AM +0800, Tian Zheng wrote:
> > 
> > On 7/16/2026 3:39 PM, Oliver Upton wrote:
> > > Hi Tian,
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Jul 09, 2026 at 06:40:23PM +0800, Tian Zheng wrote:
> > > > -	if (prot & KVM_PGTABLE_PROT_W)
> > > > +	if (prot & KVM_PGTABLE_PROT_W) {
> > > >   		set |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_LO_S2_S2AP_W;
> > > > 
> > > > +		/*
> > > > +		 * No DEVICE filter needed here: relax_perms is only called
> > > > +		 * on FSC_PERM faults. Device pages always get full RW from
> > > > +		 * initial mapping and are never write-protected during
> > > > +		 * migration, so they never trigger a permission fault.
> > > > +		 */
> > > > +		if (pgt->flags & KVM_PGTABLE_S2_DBM)
> > > > +			set |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_HI_S2_DBM;
> > > > +	} else {
> > > > +		/*
> > > > +		 * Clear DBM on W→RO downgrade to prevent hardware from
> > > > +		 * silently upgrading RO+DBM back to W+dirty, which would
> > > > +		 * bypass KVM's write tracking and cause data corruption.
> > > > +		 */
> > > > +		clr |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_HI_S2_DBM;
> > > > +	}
> > > > +
> > > This block makes it pretty evident that the DBM bit really *is* the
> > > write permission bit. I'd much rather we introduce the concept of dirty
> > > state to the page table library and migrate the abstract write
> > > permission to the DBM field, even if we don't have FEAT_HAFDBS.
> > >
> 
> Ohh, that's an amazing idea!

Thinking about that again...
If we adopt the encoding with DBM being the write-permission bit, and all 
PTEs have it since the start, how can we have lazy-splitting happening?

Only way I think of is removing both DBM and S2_S2AP_W bit from writable 
PTEs during dirty-track enable, and re-adding them during the first write 
fault. If we don't remove the DBM bit, systems with HDBSS would just dirty 
it by hardware, without causing a fault.

DBM=0 would need to happen only in the first write-protect (only on 
lazy-splitting). All other write-protecting would just clean the S2_S2AP_W 
bit, as everything is already split.  

Is that what was intended?

Thanks!
Leo


  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-20 12:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-09 10:40 [PATCH v4 0/6] Support the FEAT_HDBSS introduced in Armv9.5 Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] KVM: arm64: Enable eager hugepage splitting if HDBSS is available Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] KVM: arm64: Add support for FEAT_HDBSS Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] KVM: arm64: Add auto DBM support for hardware dirty tracking Tian Zheng
2026-07-13 11:17   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14  1:14     ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14  7:23       ` Marc Zyngier
2026-07-14  7:44         ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 10:20           ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-16  7:39   ` Oliver Upton
2026-07-17  3:58     ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17 15:21       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-20 12:58         ` Leonardo Bras [this message]
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] KVM: arm64: Add HDBSS per-vCPU buffer management Tian Zheng
2026-07-13 13:39   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14  7:15     ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 10:47       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-15  9:16         ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-15 14:28           ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-17  4:06             ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] KVM: arm64: Add HDBSS fault handling and buffer flush Tian Zheng
2026-07-13 14:06   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14  7:38     ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 10:50       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 13:27         ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 14:19           ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-17  6:51             ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17 15:44               ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] KVM: arm64: Add auto HDBSS enable/disable on dirty logging change Tian Zheng
2026-07-13 14:50   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14  8:58     ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 11:16       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 14:33         ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-16  8:37           ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17  7:23         ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17 15:50           ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-16  7:15     ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17 15:53       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-13 10:31 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Support the FEAT_HDBSS introduced in Armv9.5 Leonardo Bras
2026-07-13 16:27   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 10:39     ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 11:20       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 13:29         ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14  9:37   ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 10:19     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 13:34       ` Tian Zheng

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