* [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet @ 2008-01-02 5:08 bsd user 2008-01-02 18:40 ` Brad Midgley 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: bsd user @ 2008-01-02 5:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bluez-users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 190 bytes --] Hi, I have a question: If there is a piconet that has 2 slave B,C, the master is A. Does B know the existence of C? can B talk to C directly without A(master)'s intervention? Thanks a lot. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 208 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 228 bytes --] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 164 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Bluez-users mailing list Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet 2008-01-02 5:08 [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet bsd user @ 2008-01-02 18:40 ` Brad Midgley 2008-01-03 1:07 ` guoyun 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Brad Midgley @ 2008-01-02 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ users hey > If there is a piconet that has 2 slave B,C, the master is A. Does B know the > existence of C? can B talk to C directly without A(master)'s intervention? if they did talk to each other directly, one would have to be master and you'd have a scatternet. -- Brad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Bluez-users mailing list Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet 2008-01-02 18:40 ` Brad Midgley @ 2008-01-03 1:07 ` guoyun 2008-01-03 13:10 ` bsd user 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: guoyun @ 2008-01-03 1:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] Hi, Brad > hey > > > If there is a piconet that has 2 slave B,C, the master is A. Does B > > know the existence of C? can B talk to C directly without > A(master)'s intervention? > > if they did talk to each other directly, one would have to be > master and you'd have a scatternet. one bluetooth could be in two or more piconet, but it just can play as slave _not_ master for the bluetooth clock. Please refer to Core SPEC. chapter 4.1. Piconet topology. BRs Yun [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 228 bytes --] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 164 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Bluez-users mailing list Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet 2008-01-03 1:07 ` guoyun @ 2008-01-03 13:10 ` bsd user 2008-01-03 14:53 ` Laurent BARBIER 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: bsd user @ 2008-01-03 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1239 bytes --] So, B or C has no knowledge about each other when they are slaves of master A, right? Then, can I say if B want to talk with C, they need higher level protocol support, such as telnet, ftp. And, all data exchange will be forwarded by Master A. right? Thanks! On Jan 3, 2008 9:07 AM, guoyun <guoyun@techfaith.cn> wrote: > Hi, Brad > > > hey > > > > > If there is a piconet that has 2 slave B,C, the master is A. Does B > > > know the existence of C? can B talk to C directly without > > A(master)'s intervention? > > > > if they did talk to each other directly, one would have to be > > master and you'd have a scatternet. > > one bluetooth could be in two or more piconet, but it just can play as > slave _not_ master for the bluetooth clock. > > Please refer to Core SPEC. chapter 4.1. Piconet topology. > > BRs > Yun > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-users mailing list > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1809 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 228 bytes --] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 164 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Bluez-users mailing list Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet 2008-01-03 13:10 ` bsd user @ 2008-01-03 14:53 ` Laurent BARBIER 2008-01-03 15:57 ` bsd user 2008-01-12 16:31 ` bsd user 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Laurent BARBIER @ 2008-01-03 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ users When you wan't to make B talk to C all need to be forward from and to A. = Something like brctl do the job quite sufficiently. Have a look there : http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN section "Ethernet Bridging" Laurent bsd user a =E9crit : > So, B or C has no knowledge about each other when they are slaves of = > master A, right? Then, can I say if B want to talk with C, they need = > higher level protocol support, such as telnet, ftp. And, all data = > exchange will be forwarded by Master A. right? > > Thanks! > > On Jan 3, 2008 9:07 AM, guoyun <guoyun@techfaith.cn = > <mailto:guoyun@techfaith.cn>> wrote: > > Hi, Brad > > > hey > > > > > If there is a piconet that has 2 slave B,C, the master is A. > Does B > > > know the existence of C? can B talk to C directly without > > A(master)'s intervention? > > > > if they did talk to each other directly, one would have to be > > master and you'd have a scatternet. > > one bluetooth could be in two or more piconet, but it just can > play as slave _not_ master for the bluetooth clock. > > Please refer to Core SPEC. chapter 4.1. Piconet topology. > > BRs > Yun > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-users mailing list > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-users mailing list > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Bluez-users mailing list Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet 2008-01-03 14:53 ` Laurent BARBIER @ 2008-01-03 15:57 ` bsd user 2008-01-12 16:31 ` bsd user 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: bsd user @ 2008-01-03 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3167 bytes --] Thanks for your explanation, I know there are many profiles in bluetooth, but, is PAN the only profile that provide ad-hoc connection in a piconet? Thanks. On Jan 3, 2008 10:53 PM, Laurent BARBIER <lbarbier@kameleon-media.com> wrote: > When you wan't to make B talk to C all need to be forward from and to A. > Something like brctl do the job quite sufficiently. > Have a look there : http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN > section "Ethernet Bridging" > > Laurent > > bsd user a écrit : > > So, B or C has no knowledge about each other when they are slaves of > > master A, right? Then, can I say if B want to talk with C, they need > > higher level protocol support, such as telnet, ftp. And, all data > > exchange will be forwarded by Master A. right? > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 9:07 AM, guoyun <guoyun@techfaith.cn > > <mailto:guoyun@techfaith.cn>> wrote: > > > > Hi, Brad > > > > > hey > > > > > > > If there is a piconet that has 2 slave B,C, the master is A. > > Does B > > > > know the existence of C? can B talk to C directly without > > > A(master)'s intervention? > > > > > > if they did talk to each other directly, one would have to be > > > master and you'd have a scatternet. > > > > one bluetooth could be in two or more piconet, but it just can > > play as slave _not_ master for the bluetooth clock. > > > > Please refer to Core SPEC. chapter 4.1. Piconet topology. > > > > BRs > > Yun > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluez-users mailing list > > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > <mailto:Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluez-users mailing list > > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-users mailing list > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 5048 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 228 bytes --] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 164 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Bluez-users mailing list Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet 2008-01-03 14:53 ` Laurent BARBIER 2008-01-03 15:57 ` bsd user @ 2008-01-12 16:31 ` bsd user 2008-01-14 15:51 ` [Bluez-devel] Fwd: " bsd user 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: bsd user @ 2008-01-12 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4075 bytes --] I learned PAN Profile 1.0 from SIG. I am interested in the PANU service. According to the profile, device has PANU service can establish a connection with another device's PANU service DIRECTLY, no need message forwarding by NAP or GN node! but this feature hasn't been mentioned in "HOWTO-PAN"... I want to setup a real p2p ad-hoc network with 4 bluetooth enabled computers without message forwarding from 3rd node when message need to be exchanged between any two nodes, see below picture:: +------+ +------+ | PANU1|<--->| PANU2| +------+ +------+ /|\ \ / /|\ | X | \|/ / \ \|/ +------+ +------+ | PANU3|<-->| PANU4| +------+ +------+ in above scenario, PANU1 is master of PANU2, PANUS3 and PANU4 PANU2 is master of PANU4, PANU4 is master of PANU3, PANU3 is master of PANU2, So, PANU3 need to work in 2 piconet. Is this scenario valid? Thanks a lot! On Jan 3, 2008 10:53 PM, Laurent BARBIER <lbarbier@kameleon-media.com> wrote: > When you wan't to make B talk to C all need to be forward from and to A. > Something like brctl do the job quite sufficiently. > Have a look there : http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN > section "Ethernet Bridging" > > Laurent > > bsd user a écrit : > > So, B or C has no knowledge about each other when they are slaves of > > master A, right? Then, can I say if B want to talk with C, they need > > higher level protocol support, such as telnet, ftp. And, all data > > exchange will be forwarded by Master A. right? > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 9:07 AM, guoyun <guoyun@techfaith.cn > > <mailto:guoyun@techfaith.cn>> wrote: > > > > Hi, Brad > > > > > hey > > > > > > > If there is a piconet that has 2 slave B,C, the master is A. > > Does B > > > > know the existence of C? can B talk to C directly without > > > A(master)'s intervention? > > > > > > if they did talk to each other directly, one would have to be > > > master and you'd have a scatternet. > > > > one bluetooth could be in two or more piconet, but it just can > > play as slave _not_ master for the bluetooth clock. > > > > Please refer to Core SPEC. chapter 4.1. Piconet topology. > > > > BRs > > Yun > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluez-users mailing list > > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > <mailto:Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluez-users mailing list > > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-users mailing list > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 6044 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 278 bytes --] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 164 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Bluez-users mailing list Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* [Bluez-devel] Fwd: [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet 2008-01-12 16:31 ` bsd user @ 2008-01-14 15:51 ` bsd user 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: bsd user @ 2008-01-14 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bluez-devel [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4434 bytes --] Somehow, I did not get any response for below question, can anybody in here give me some feedback? Thanks very much! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: bsd user <oldmoonster@gmail.com> Date: Jan 13, 2008 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [Bluez-users] slave - slave talk in a piconet To: BlueZ users <bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net> I learned PAN Profile 1.0 from SIG. I am interested in the PANU service. According to the profile, device has PANU service can establish a connection with another device's PANU service DIRECTLY, no need message forwarding by NAP or GN node! but this feature hasn't been mentioned in "HOWTO-PAN"... I want to setup a real p2p ad-hoc network with 4 bluetooth enabled computers without message forwarding from 3rd node when message need to be exchanged between any two nodes, see below picture:: +------+ +------+ | PANU1|<--->| PANU2| +------+ +------+ /|\ \ / /|\ | X | \|/ / \ \|/ +------+ +------+ | PANU3|<-->| PANU4| +------+ +------+ in above scenario, PANU1 is master of PANU2, PANUS3 and PANU4 PANU2 is master of PANU4, PANU4 is master of PANU3, PANU3 is master of PANU2, So, PANU3 need to work in 2 piconet. Is this scenario valid? Thanks a lot! On Jan 3, 2008 10:53 PM, Laurent BARBIER < lbarbier@kameleon-media.com> wrote: > When you wan't to make B talk to C all need to be forward from and to A. > Something like brctl do the job quite sufficiently. > Have a look there : http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN > section "Ethernet Bridging" > > Laurent > > bsd user a écrit : > > So, B or C has no knowledge about each other when they are slaves of > > master A, right? Then, can I say if B want to talk with C, they need > > higher level protocol support, such as telnet, ftp. And, all data > > exchange will be forwarded by Master A. right? > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 9:07 AM, guoyun <guoyun@techfaith.cn > > <mailto:guoyun@techfaith.cn>> wrote: > > > > Hi, Brad > > > > > hey > > > > > > > If there is a piconet that has 2 slave B,C, the master is A. > > Does B > > > > know the existence of C? can B talk to C directly without > > > A(master)'s intervention? > > > > > > if they did talk to each other directly, one would have to be > > > master and you'd have a scatternet. > > > > one bluetooth could be in two or more piconet, but it just can > > play as slave _not_ master for the bluetooth clock. > > > > Please refer to Core SPEC. chapter 4.1. Piconet topology. > > > > BRs > > Yun > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluez-users mailing list > > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > <mailto: Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluez-users mailing list > > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-users mailing list > Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 6735 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 278 bytes --] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 164 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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