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From: Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@samsung.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: josef@toxicpanda.com, dsterba@suse.com, clm@fb.com,
	axboe@kernel.dk, kbusch@kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	gost.dev@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] Btrfs checksum offload
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:59:17 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <12ee6895-aafe-491e-8dea-c024a2a34563@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250130125306.GA19390@lst.de>

On 1/30/2025 6:23 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> Difference is that FS does not have to attach any PI for offload.
>>
>> Offload is about the Host doing as little as possible, and the closest
>> we get there is by setting PRACT bit.
> But that doesn't actually work.  The file system needs to be able
> to verify the checksum for failing over to other mirrors, repair,
> etc.

Right. That sounds like reusing the existing code on detecting 
checksum-specific failure. So maybe that can be handled iff this gets 
any far.

> Also if you trust the device to get things right you do not
> need to use PI at all - SSDs or hard drives that support PI generally
> use PI internally anyway, and PRACT just means you treat a format
> with PI like one without.  In other words - no need for an offload
> here, you might as well just trust the device if you're not doing
> end to end protection.

Agree that device maybe implementing internal E2E, but that's not a 
contract to be honored. Host can't trust until device says it explicitly.

Since Btrfs already has 'nodatasum' mount option, I assume there are 
deployments that prefer to optimize for checksum. I thought Btrfs will 
be more comfortable to give up (its own checksum tree) and exercise this 
more often if it certainly knows that device is also capable.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-31 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20250129141039epcas5p11feb1be4124c0db3c5223325924183a3@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2025-01-29 14:02 ` [RFC 0/3] Btrfs checksum offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 14:02   ` [RFC 1/3] block: add integrity offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 14:02   ` [RFC 2/3] nvme: support " Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 14:02   ` [RFC 3/3] btrfs: add checksum offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 21:27     ` Qu Wenruo
2025-01-29 14:55   ` [RFC 0/3] Btrfs " Johannes Thumshirn
2025-01-31 10:19     ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-31 10:29       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-02-03 13:25         ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-02-03 13:40           ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-02-03 14:03             ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-02-03 14:41               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-01-29 15:28   ` Keith Busch
2025-01-29 15:40     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 18:03       ` Keith Busch
2025-01-30 12:54         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 15:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-30  9:22     ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-30 12:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-31 10:29         ` Kanchan Joshi [this message]
2025-01-31 10:42           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 15:55   ` Mark Harmstone
2025-01-29 19:02   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2025-01-30  9:33     ` Daniel Vacek
2025-01-30 20:21   ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-01-31  7:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-03 19:31       ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-04  5:12         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-04 12:52           ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-04 13:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-05  2:31               ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-03 13:24     ` Kanchan Joshi

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