From: Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@samsung.com>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: josef@toxicpanda.com, dsterba@suse.com, clm@fb.com,
axboe@kernel.dk, kbusch@kernel.org, hch@lst.de,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, gost.dev@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] Btrfs checksum offload
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 18:54:13 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f336dbed-895c-4aa6-a621-84112e047989@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq134h0p1m5.fsf@ca-mkp.ca.oracle.com>
On 1/31/2025 1:51 AM, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
>> There is value in avoiding Copy-on-write (COW) checksum tree on a
>> device that can anyway store checksums inline (as part of PI). This
>> would eliminate extra checksum writes/reads, making I/O more
>> CPU-efficient. Additionally, usable space would increase, and write
>> amplification, both in Btrfs and eventually at the device level, would
>> be reduced [*].
> I have a couple of observations.
>
> First of all, there is no inherent benefit to PI if it is generated at
> the same time as the ECC. The ECC is usually far superior when it comes
> to protecting data at rest. And you'll still get an error if uncorrected
> corruption is detected. So BLK_INTEGRITY_OFFLOAD_NO_BUF does not offer
> any benefits in my book.
I fully agree, there is no benefit if we see it from E2E use case.
But for a different use case (i.e., checksum offload),
BLK_INTEGRITY_OFFLOAD_NO_BUF is as good as it gets.
[Application -> FS -> Block-layer -> Device]
I understand that E2E gets stronger when integrity/checksum is placed at
the origin of data (application), and then each component collaborates
in checking it.
But I am not doing E2E here. Call it abuse or creative, but I am using
the same E2E capable device to do checksum-offload. If the device had
exposed checksum-offload in a different way, I would have taken that
route rather than E2E one.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-03 13:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2025-01-29 14:02 ` [RFC 0/3] Btrfs checksum offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 14:02 ` [RFC 1/3] block: add integrity offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 14:02 ` [RFC 2/3] nvme: support " Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 14:02 ` [RFC 3/3] btrfs: add checksum offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 21:27 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-01-29 14:55 ` [RFC 0/3] Btrfs " Johannes Thumshirn
2025-01-31 10:19 ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-31 10:29 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-02-03 13:25 ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-02-03 13:40 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-02-03 14:03 ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-02-03 14:41 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-01-29 15:28 ` Keith Busch
2025-01-29 15:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 18:03 ` Keith Busch
2025-01-30 12:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 15:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-30 9:22 ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-30 12:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-31 10:29 ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-31 10:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 15:55 ` Mark Harmstone
2025-01-29 19:02 ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2025-01-30 9:33 ` Daniel Vacek
2025-01-30 20:21 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-01-31 7:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-03 19:31 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-04 5:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-04 12:52 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-04 13:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-05 2:31 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-03 13:24 ` Kanchan Joshi [this message]
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