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From: Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@samsung.com>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: josef@toxicpanda.com, dsterba@suse.com, clm@fb.com,
	axboe@kernel.dk, kbusch@kernel.org, hch@lst.de,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, gost.dev@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] Btrfs checksum offload
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 18:54:13 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f336dbed-895c-4aa6-a621-84112e047989@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq134h0p1m5.fsf@ca-mkp.ca.oracle.com>

On 1/31/2025 1:51 AM, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
>> There is value in avoiding Copy-on-write (COW) checksum tree on a
>> device that can anyway store checksums inline (as part of PI). This
>> would eliminate extra checksum writes/reads, making I/O more
>> CPU-efficient. Additionally, usable space would increase, and write
>> amplification, both in Btrfs and eventually at the device level, would
>> be reduced [*].
> I have a couple of observations.
> 
> First of all, there is no inherent benefit to PI if it is generated at
> the same time as the ECC. The ECC is usually far superior when it comes
> to protecting data at rest. And you'll still get an error if uncorrected
> corruption is detected. So BLK_INTEGRITY_OFFLOAD_NO_BUF does not offer
> any benefits in my book.

I fully agree, there is no benefit if we see it from E2E use case.
But for a different use case (i.e., checksum offload), 
BLK_INTEGRITY_OFFLOAD_NO_BUF is as good as it gets.

[Application -> FS -> Block-layer -> Device]

I understand that E2E gets stronger when integrity/checksum is placed at 
the origin of data (application), and then each component collaborates 
in checking it.

But I am not doing E2E here. Call it abuse or creative, but I am using 
the same E2E capable device to do checksum-offload. If the device had 
exposed checksum-offload in a different way, I would have taken that 
route rather than E2E one.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-03 13:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20250129141039epcas5p11feb1be4124c0db3c5223325924183a3@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
2025-01-29 14:02 ` [RFC 0/3] Btrfs checksum offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 14:02   ` [RFC 1/3] block: add integrity offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 14:02   ` [RFC 2/3] nvme: support " Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 14:02   ` [RFC 3/3] btrfs: add checksum offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29 21:27     ` Qu Wenruo
2025-01-29 14:55   ` [RFC 0/3] Btrfs " Johannes Thumshirn
2025-01-31 10:19     ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-31 10:29       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-02-03 13:25         ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-02-03 13:40           ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-02-03 14:03             ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-02-03 14:41               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-01-29 15:28   ` Keith Busch
2025-01-29 15:40     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 18:03       ` Keith Busch
2025-01-30 12:54         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 15:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-30  9:22     ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-30 12:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-31 10:29         ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-31 10:42           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 15:55   ` Mark Harmstone
2025-01-29 19:02   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2025-01-30  9:33     ` Daniel Vacek
2025-01-30 20:21   ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-01-31  7:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-03 19:31       ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-04  5:12         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-04 12:52           ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-04 13:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-05  2:31               ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-03 13:24     ` Kanchan Joshi [this message]

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