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From: jim owens <jowens@hp.com>
To: Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>
Cc: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Some very basic questions
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:08:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48FE36BD.6020701@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081021173714.29505.qmail@splitreflection.com>

calin wrote:
>> question is: if you had such an implementation, are there
>> drawbacks expectable for the single-mount case? If not I'd vote for it
>> because there are not really many alternatives "on the market".
> 
> As I understand it, the largest issue is in locking and boundaries. 

Correct, that is the first big issue.  As soon as 2 machines can
access the same device, you must design for distributed locking.
And that means a lot more code, lower performance, and a lot of
things a local-only filesystem could do that must be disallowed.

The second issue is what is the purpose of more than 1 host
accessing the data directly from the device.  There are cases
where this is a good thing because the application is designed
with data partitioning and multi-instance coordination.  It is
a bad thing for random uncoordinated use like backups or fsck.

Remember that the device bandwidth is the limiter so even
when each host has a dedicated path to the device (as in
dual port SAS or FC), that 2nd host cuts the throughput by
more than 1/2 with uncoordinated seeks and transfers.

And if the host device drivers are not designed for multiple
host sharing, this can cause timeouts, resets, and false
device-failed states.

And yes... even read-only access from a 2nd host is trouble
in many parts of the design and does not come for free.

jim

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-21 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-21 17:37 Some very basic questions calin
2008-10-21 20:08 ` jim owens [this message]
2008-10-22  7:15   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:13     ` jim owens
2008-10-22 14:25       ` Avi Kivity
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-10-22 14:35 dbz
2008-10-27 15:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 11:23 Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 12:13 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 14:22   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 15:34     ` jim owens
2008-10-22 11:36       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:15         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:03           ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:13             ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:16             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-21 13:20 ` jim owens
2008-10-21 17:01   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:15     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-21 17:31       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:27         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:15           ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:27             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:32               ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:36                 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:40                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:46                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:54                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:02                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:13                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:25                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:33                           ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 15:43                             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:54                               ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 18:28                                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:39                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:52             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 15:56               ` Michel Salim
2008-10-22 16:56                 ` jim owens
2008-10-23  9:47                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 11:40       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 13:59 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-21 16:09   ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:43     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:27   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:59     ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:46       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:49     ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 12:19       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:48         ` Jeff Schroeder
2008-10-22 14:02           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:50         ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:04           ` Matthias Wächter
2008-10-22 14:32             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:44               ` jim owens
2008-10-24  8:42           ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-24  8:39         ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-21 20:54   ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-21 22:18     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22  2:29       ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 10:42         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 10:53           ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 12:57             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:57             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:15               ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 13:19                 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:38                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:59                     ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:23                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:23                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 16:14                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 16:34                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-23  3:59                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 18:32                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:13                       ` jim owens
2008-10-22 19:22                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:59                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 21:31                     ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 21:56                       ` Ric Wheeler

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