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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Cc: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, jim owens <jowens@hp.com>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Some very basic questions
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:28:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48FF70CA.9090604@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48FF4CAE.3080206@redhat.com>

Ric Wheeler wrote:
> For any given set of disks, you "just" need to do the math to compute 
> the utilized capacity, the expected rate of drive failure, the rebuild 
> time and then see whether you can recover from your first failure 
> before a 2nd disk dies.
>

Spare disks have the advantage of a fully linear access pattern 
(ignoring normal working load).  Spare capacity has the advantage of 
utilizing all devices (if you have a hundred-disk fs, all surviving 
disks participate in the rebuild; whereas with spare disks you are 
limited to the surviving raidset members.

Spare capacity also has the advantage that you don't need to rebuild 
free space.
> In practice, this is not an academic question since drives do 
> occasionally fail in batches (and drives from the same batch get 
> stuffed into the same system).

This seems to be orthogonal to the sparing method used; and in both 
cases the answer is to tolerate dual failures.  File-based redundancy 
has the advantage here of allowing triple mirroring for metadata and 
frequently written files, and double parity raid for large files.

> I suspect that what will be used in mission critical deployments will 
> be more conservative than what is used in less critical path systems

That's true, unfortunately.  But with time people will trust the newer, 
more efficient methods.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-22 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-21 11:23 Some very basic questions Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 12:13 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 14:22   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 15:34     ` jim owens
2008-10-22 11:36       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:15         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:03           ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:13             ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:16             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-21 13:20 ` jim owens
2008-10-21 17:01   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:15     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-21 17:31       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:27         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:15           ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:27             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:32               ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:36                 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:40                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:46                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:54                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:02                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:13                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:25                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:33                           ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 15:43                             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:54                               ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 18:28                                 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2008-10-22 15:39                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:52             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 15:56               ` Michel Salim
2008-10-22 16:56                 ` jim owens
2008-10-23  9:47                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 11:40       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 13:59 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-21 16:09   ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:43     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:27   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:59     ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:46       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:49     ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 12:19       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:48         ` Jeff Schroeder
2008-10-22 14:02           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:50         ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:04           ` Matthias Wächter
2008-10-22 14:32             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:44               ` jim owens
2008-10-24  8:42           ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-24  8:39         ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-21 20:54   ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-21 22:18     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22  2:29       ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 10:42         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 10:53           ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 12:57             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:57             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:15               ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 13:19                 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:38                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:59                     ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:23                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:23                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 16:14                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 16:34                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-23  3:59                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 18:32                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:13                       ` jim owens
2008-10-22 19:22                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:59                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 21:31                     ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 21:56                       ` Ric Wheeler
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-10-21 17:37 calin
2008-10-21 20:08 ` jim owens
2008-10-22  7:15   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:13     ` jim owens
2008-10-22 14:25       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:35 dbz
2008-10-27 15:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski

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