From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Cc: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, jim owens <jowens@hp.com>,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Some very basic questions
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:28:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48FF70CA.9090604@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48FF4CAE.3080206@redhat.com>
Ric Wheeler wrote:
> For any given set of disks, you "just" need to do the math to compute
> the utilized capacity, the expected rate of drive failure, the rebuild
> time and then see whether you can recover from your first failure
> before a 2nd disk dies.
>
Spare disks have the advantage of a fully linear access pattern
(ignoring normal working load). Spare capacity has the advantage of
utilizing all devices (if you have a hundred-disk fs, all surviving
disks participate in the rebuild; whereas with spare disks you are
limited to the surviving raidset members.
Spare capacity also has the advantage that you don't need to rebuild
free space.
> In practice, this is not an academic question since drives do
> occasionally fail in batches (and drives from the same batch get
> stuffed into the same system).
This seems to be orthogonal to the sparing method used; and in both
cases the answer is to tolerate dual failures. File-based redundancy
has the advantage here of allowing triple mirroring for metadata and
frequently written files, and double parity raid for large files.
> I suspect that what will be used in mission critical deployments will
> be more conservative than what is used in less critical path systems
That's true, unfortunately. But with time people will trust the newer,
more efficient methods.
--
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-22 18:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-21 11:23 Some very basic questions Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 12:13 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 14:22 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 15:34 ` jim owens
2008-10-22 11:36 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:15 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:03 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:13 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:16 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-21 13:20 ` jim owens
2008-10-21 17:01 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-21 17:31 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:27 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:15 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:27 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:32 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:36 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:40 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:46 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:54 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:02 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:13 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:25 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:33 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 15:43 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:54 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 18:28 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2008-10-22 15:39 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:52 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 15:56 ` Michel Salim
2008-10-22 16:56 ` jim owens
2008-10-23 9:47 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 11:40 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 13:59 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-21 16:09 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:27 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:59 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:46 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:49 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 12:19 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:48 ` Jeff Schroeder
2008-10-22 14:02 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:50 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:04 ` Matthias Wächter
2008-10-22 14:32 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:44 ` jim owens
2008-10-24 8:42 ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-24 8:39 ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-21 20:54 ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-21 22:18 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 2:29 ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 10:42 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 10:53 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 12:57 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:57 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:15 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 13:19 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:38 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:59 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:23 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:23 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 16:14 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 16:34 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-23 3:59 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 18:32 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:13 ` jim owens
2008-10-22 19:22 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:59 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 21:31 ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 21:56 ` Ric Wheeler
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-10-21 17:37 calin
2008-10-21 20:08 ` jim owens
2008-10-22 7:15 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:13 ` jim owens
2008-10-22 14:25 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:35 dbz
2008-10-27 15:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
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