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From: Sweet Tea Dorminy <sweettea-kernel@dorminy.me>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	David Sterba <dsterba@suse.com>,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@fb.com, Omar Sandoval <osandov@osandov.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/20] fscrypt: add flag allowing partially-encrypted directories
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:58:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d7351139e8ffe727685f5f53110a5e73@dorminy.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yx6Oh67pW+Fs6E0P@quark>


> I'm still trying to wrap my head around what this part involves 
> exactly.  This
> is a pretty big change in semantics.
> 
> Could this be moved to the end of the patchset, or is this a 
> fundamental part of
> the btrfs fscrypt support that the rest of your patchset depends on?  
> I'd think
> it would be a lot easier to review if this change was an add-on at the 
> end.

Definitely.

> 
> One thing to keep in mind is that FS_IOC_SET_ENCRYPTION_POLICY failing 
> on
> nonempty directories can actually be very useful, since it makes it 
> possible to
> detect bugs where people create files in encrypted directories 
> (expecting that
> they are encrypted) before an encryption policy actually gets assigned. 
>  Since
> FS_IOC_SET_ENCRYPTION_POLICY fails in that case, such bugs can be 
> detected and
> fixed.

I agree that this has risks of inadvertent misuse in that fashion.

The usecase I'm oriented towards is: someone builds an unencrypted 
subvolume with a container base filesystem, takes several snapshots of 
the subvolume, starts a container on each subvolume, and has each 
container encrypt its designated subvolume going forward with a 
different key. This usecase needs some way to mark a subvolume/directory 
already containing files as encrypted going forward; I've had a hard 
time coming up with a way to both protect users against such accidental 
misuse, but also allow this container usecase.

> 
> It might be warranted to use an encryption policy flag to explicitly 
> indicate
> that mixing encrypted and unencrypted files is being allowed.

Could it be sufficient to check either empty or read-only, something 
like (is_empty_dir(inode) || (FS_CFLG_PARTIAL && !inode_permission(..., 
inode, MAY_WRITE)))? Then the user is unable to accidentally write 
unencrypted data, since they've taken an action to make the directory 
read-only, until they've set a policy and key and turned the directory 
read-write again.

Thanks!

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-15 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-06  0:35 [PATCH v2 00/20] btrfs: add fscrypt integration Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 01/20] fscrypt: expose fscrypt_nokey_name Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 13:41   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 02/20] fscrypt: add flag allowing partially-encrypted directories Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 13:43   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-12  1:42   ` Eric Biggers
2022-09-15 18:58     ` Sweet Tea Dorminy [this message]
2022-09-13 10:07   ` Anand Jain
2022-09-13 11:02     ` Neal Gompa
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 03/20] fscrypt: add fscrypt_have_same_policy() to check inode compatibility Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 13:53   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 04/20] fscrypt: allow fscrypt_generate_iv() to distinguish filenames Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 14:01   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 05/20] fscrypt: add extent-based encryption Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-07 19:59   ` Omar Sandoval
2022-09-08 15:33   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-10 18:53   ` kernel test robot
2022-09-12  1:34   ` Eric Biggers
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 06/20] fscrypt: document btrfs' fscrypt quirks Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 15:34   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 07/20] btrfs: store directory's encryption state Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 15:37   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 08/20] btrfs: use fscrypt_names instead of name/len everywhere Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-07 20:04   ` David Sterba
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 09/20] btrfs: setup fscrypt_names from dentrys using helper Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 19:11   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 10/20] btrfs: factor a fscrypt_name matching method Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 19:27   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-09 10:15   ` David Sterba
2022-09-09 13:00     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-09-09 13:34       ` David Sterba
2022-09-16 22:18         ` J Lovejoy
2022-09-19  2:00           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-09-19 17:20             ` David Sterba
2022-09-19 16:52           ` David Sterba
2022-09-09 13:41       ` Chris Mason
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 11/20] btrfs: disable various operations on encrypted inodes Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-06  6:36   ` kernel test robot
2022-09-07 20:11   ` David Sterba
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 12/20] btrfs: start using fscrypt hooks Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-07 20:17   ` David Sterba
2022-09-07 20:42     ` Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-12  1:50       ` Eric Biggers
2022-09-08 19:42   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 13/20] btrfs: add fscrypt_context items Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-07 20:43   ` David Sterba
2022-09-08 20:06   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 14/20] btrfs: translate btrfs encryption flags and encrypted inode flag Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 20:07   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 15/20] btrfs: store a fscrypt extent context per normal file extent Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-07 21:10   ` David Sterba
2022-09-07 21:39     ` Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-09 10:04       ` David Sterba
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 16/20] btrfs: Add new FEATURE_INCOMPAT_FSCRYPT feature flag Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-09 11:35   ` David Sterba
2022-09-12  1:36   ` Eric Biggers
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 17/20] btrfs: reuse encrypted filename hash when possible Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-07 21:24   ` David Sterba
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 18/20] btrfs: adapt directory read and lookup to potentially encrypted filenames Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 20:15   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 19/20] btrfs: encrypt normal file extent data if appropriate Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-08 20:19   ` Josef Bacik
2022-09-06  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 20/20] btrfs: implement fscrypt ioctls Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-07 21:33   ` David Sterba
2022-09-06 22:35 ` [PATCH v2 00/20] btrfs: add fscrypt integration Eric Biggers
2022-09-06 23:01   ` Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-06 23:10     ` Eric Biggers
2022-09-07  0:01       ` Sweet Tea Dorminy
2022-09-07 19:38 ` David Sterba

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