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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@arm.com>,
	Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	Ganapatrao Kulkarni <gankulkarni@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com>,
	Shanker Donthineni <sdonthineni@nvidia.com>,
	Alper Gun <alpergun@google.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K . V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	Emi Kisanuki <fj0570is@fujitsu.com>,
	Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	WeiLin.Chang@arm.com, Lorenzo.Pieralisi2@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 04/44] arm64: RMI: Add SMC definitions for calling the RMM
Date: Fri, 22 May 2026 10:58:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jysvahpb.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3261b04f-1a0c-451d-8981-1e2bccc8a9ca@arm.com>

On Thu, 21 May 2026 16:33:09 +0100,
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:
> 
> On 21/05/2026 13:40, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 May 2026 14:17:12 +0100,
> > Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The RMM (Realm Management Monitor) provides functionality that can be
> >> accessed by SMC calls from the host.
> >>
> >> The SMC definitions are based on DEN0137[1] version 2.0-bet1
> >>
> >> [1] https://developer.arm.com/documentation/den0137/2-0bet1/
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>
> >> ---
> >> Changes since v13:
> >>  * Updated to RMM spec v2.0-bet1
> >> Changes since v12:
> >>  * Updated to RMM spec v2.0-bet0
> >> Changes since v9:
> >>  * Corrected size of 'ripas_value' in struct rec_exit. The spec states
> >>    this is an 8-bit type with padding afterwards (rather than a u64).
> >> Changes since v8:
> >>  * Added RMI_PERMITTED_GICV3_HCR_BITS to define which bits the RMM
> >>    permits to be modified.
> >> Changes since v6:
> >>  * Renamed REC_ENTER_xxx defines to include 'FLAG' to make it obvious
> >>    these are flag values.
> >> Changes since v5:
> >>  * Sorted the SMC #defines by value.
> >>  * Renamed SMI_RxI_CALL to SMI_RMI_CALL since the macro is only used for
> >>    RMI calls.
> >>  * Renamed REC_GIC_NUM_LRS to REC_MAX_GIC_NUM_LRS since the actual
> >>    number of available list registers could be lower.
> >>  * Provided a define for the reserved fields of FeatureRegister0.
> >>  * Fix inconsistent names for padding fields.
> >> Changes since v4:
> >>  * Update to point to final released RMM spec.
> >>  * Minor rearrangements.
> >> Changes since v3:
> >>  * Update to match RMM spec v1.0-rel0-rc1.
> >> Changes since v2:
> >>  * Fix specification link.
> >>  * Rename rec_entry->rec_enter to match spec.
> >>  * Fix size of pmu_ovf_status to match spec.
> >> ---
> >>  arch/arm64/include/asm/rmi_smc.h | 448 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>  1 file changed, 448 insertions(+)
> >>  create mode 100644 arch/arm64/include/asm/rmi_smc.h
> >>
> >> diff --git a/arch/arm64/include/asm/rmi_smc.h b/arch/arm64/include/asm/rmi_smc.h
> >> new file mode 100644
> >> index 000000000000..a09b7a631fef
> >> --- /dev/null
> >> +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/rmi_smc.h
> >> @@ -0,0 +1,448 @@
> >> +/* SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0 */
> >> +/*
> >> + * Copyright (C) 2023-2026 ARM Ltd.
> >> + *
> >> + * The values and structures in this file are from the Realm Management Monitor
> >> + * specification (DEN0137) version 2.0-bet1:
> >> + * https://developer.arm.com/documentation/den0137/2-0bet1/
> > 
> > How long is this spec going to be available on the ARM web site, which
> > has a tendency of being reorganised every other week? And there is
> > already a beta2.
> 
> Obviously I can't predict the next reorganisation - but at least it's a
> link that could be fed into archive.org or similar.

I found that the PDF spec was less susceptible to creative nonsense,
and people can download it for future reference, whereas ARM has
happily *deleted* specs from the website over time (try to find PSCI
0.1, for example...).

[...]

> >> +struct realm_params {
> >> +	union { /* 0x0 */
> >> +		struct {
> >> +			u64 flags;
> >> +			u64 s2sz;
> >> +			u64 sve_vl;
> >> +			u64 num_bps;
> >> +			u64 num_wps;
> >> +			u64 pmu_num_ctrs;
> >> +			u64 hash_algo;
> >> +			u64 num_aux_planes;
> >> +		};
> >> +		u8 padding0[0x400];
> > 
> > SZ_1K? And similarly all over the shop?
> 
> I'm a bit less sure that makes the code more readable - these structures
> are a bit of a pain because they are somewhat sparse. I've left a
> comment where the beginning of each union is, and personally I find it
> easier to see 0x0 + 0x400 == 0x400 rather than trying to work out what
> SZ_1K is in hex. This is particularly the case in terms of:
> 
> > struct rec_params {
> > 	union { /* 0x0 */
> > 		u64 flags;
> > 		u8 padding0[0x100];
> > 	};
> > 	union { /* 0x100 */
> > 		u64 mpidr;
> > 		u8 padding1[0x100];
> > 	};
> > 	union { /* 0x200 */
> > 		u64 pc;
> > 		u8 padding2[0x100];
> > 	};
> > 	union { /* 0x300 */
> > 		u64 gprs[REC_CREATE_NR_GPRS];
> > 		u8 padding3[0xd00];
> > 	};
> > };
> 
> Where 0xd00 doesn't even have a correspoding SZ_ define.

Indeed, but it is (SZ_4K - SZ_256 * 3). And a lot of these structures
seem to be designed to form a 4kB blob. I'm sure we can make use of
that information (BUILD_BUG_ON?).

> 
> The RMM deals with this with macro magic:
> 
> > struct rmi_rec_params {
> >         /* Flags */
> >         SET_MEMBER_RMI(unsigned long flags, 0, 0x100);  /* Offset 0 */
> >         /* MPIDR of the REC */
> >         SET_MEMBER_RMI(unsigned long mpidr, 0x100, 0x200);      /* 0x100 */
> >         /* Program counter */
> >         SET_MEMBER_RMI(unsigned long pc, 0x200, 0x300); /* 0x200 */
> >         /* General-purpose registers */
> >         SET_MEMBER_RMI(unsigned long gprs[REC_CREATE_NR_GPRS], 0x300, 0x1000); /* 0x300 */
> > };
> 
> where the offsets are just directly encoded in the macro - but it's not
> an especially robust macro and I'm not convinced it's more readable.

I think this is just as horrible, but at least it seems to take the
boundaries of the structure into account.

>
> I'm happy to hear other suggestions on how to encode this neatly.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind having the structures described in a more
abstract way and then pre-processed to generate the include files. If
the architectural MRS wasn't so huge, I would have added it to the
kernel and used that directly for KVM.

>
> > I haven't checked the details of the encodings (life is too short),
> > but I wonder how much of this exists as an MRS and could be
> > automatically generated?
> 
> Automatically generating this would be good - I'm not sure whether we
> have a (public) source available to generate from at the moment. I have
> tried to methodically work through the spec when updating this file, but
> as Gavin has already pointed out there was at least one mistake (in
> currently unused definitions) this time.

I'm slightly baffled that even the RMM is written this way. Given the
formalism used in the RMM spec, I was expecting that you'd have a
bunch of JSON at hand and able to generate any output from that. Doing
this stuff by hand is both incredibly dull work *and* extremely error
prone.

Thanks,

	M.

-- 
Jazz isn't dead. It just smells funny.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-22  9:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-13 13:17 [PATCH v14 00/44] arm64: Support for Arm CCA in KVM Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 01/44] kvm: arm64: Include kvm_emulate.h in kvm/arm_psci.h Steven Price
2026-05-21 10:19   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-21 15:11     ` Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 02/44] kvm: arm64: Avoid including linux/kvm_host.h in kvm_pgtable.h Steven Price
2026-05-21 10:26   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-21 15:11     ` Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 03/44] arm64: RME: Handle Granule Protection Faults (GPFs) Steven Price
2026-05-21 12:25   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-21 15:15     ` Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 04/44] arm64: RMI: Add SMC definitions for calling the RMM Steven Price
2026-05-18  7:08   ` Gavin Shan
2026-05-20 16:01     ` Steven Price
2026-05-21 12:40   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-21 14:50     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-05-21 15:33     ` Steven Price
2026-05-22  9:58       ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 05/44] arm64: RMI: Add wrappers for RMI calls Steven Price
2026-05-19  5:35   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-21 15:44     ` Steven Price
2026-05-21  0:21   ` Gavin Shan
2026-05-21 15:44     ` Steven Price
2026-05-21 12:49   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-21 15:44     ` Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 06/44] arm64: RMI: Check for RMI support at init Steven Price
2026-05-21  0:39   ` Gavin Shan
2026-05-21 15:49     ` Steven Price
2026-05-21 13:02   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 07/44] arm64: RMI: Configure the RMM with the host's page size Steven Price
2026-05-21  0:51   ` Gavin Shan
2026-05-21 22:36     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-05-21 13:30   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-21 14:53     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 08/44] arm64: RMI: Ensure that the RMM has GPT entries for memory Steven Price
2026-05-19  5:55   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-21  0:58   ` Gavin Shan
2026-05-21 13:47   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-21 14:24     ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-21 15:39     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 09/44] arm64: RMI: Provide functions to delegate/undelegate ranges of memory Steven Price
2026-05-21 13:59   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-21 16:01     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-05-22 10:02       ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 10/44] arm64: RMI: Add support for SRO Steven Price
2026-05-14  8:01   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-14  9:33     ` Steven Price
2026-05-19  6:02   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-21  4:38   ` Gavin Shan
2026-05-21 14:35   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 11/44] arm64: RMI: Check for RMI support at KVM init Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 12/44] arm64: RMI: Check for LPA2 support Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 13/44] arm64: RMI: Define the user ABI Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 14/44] arm64: RMI: Basic infrastructure for creating a realm Steven Price
2026-05-19  6:31   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 15/44] kvm: arm64: Don't expose unsupported capabilities for realm guests Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 16/44] KVM: arm64: Allow passing machine type in KVM creation Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 17/44] arm64: RMI: RTT tear down Steven Price
2026-05-19  6:54   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 18/44] arm64: RMI: Activate realm on first VCPU run Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 19/44] arm64: RMI: Allocate/free RECs to match vCPUs Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 20/44] arm64: RMI: Support for the VGIC in realms Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 21/44] KVM: arm64: Support timers in realm RECs Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 22/44] arm64: RMI: Handle realm enter/exit Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 23/44] arm64: RMI: Handle RMI_EXIT_RIPAS_CHANGE Steven Price
2026-05-19  9:40   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 24/44] KVM: arm64: Handle realm MMIO emulation Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 25/44] KVM: arm64: Expose support for private memory Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 26/44] arm64: RMI: Allow populating initial contents Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 27/44] arm64: RMI: Set RIPAS of initial memslots Steven Price
2026-05-19 10:02   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-19 10:13     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-05-19 12:55       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-19 13:06         ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 28/44] arm64: RMI: Create the realm descriptor Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 29/44] arm64: RMI: Runtime faulting of memory Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 30/44] KVM: arm64: Handle realm VCPU load Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 31/44] KVM: arm64: Validate register access for a Realm VM Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 32/44] KVM: arm64: Handle Realm PSCI requests Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 33/44] KVM: arm64: WARN on injected undef exceptions Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 34/44] arm64: RMI: allow userspace to inject aborts Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 35/44] arm64: RMI: support RSI_HOST_CALL Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 36/44] arm64: RMI: Allow checking SVE on VM instance Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 37/44] arm64: RMI: Prevent Device mappings for Realms Steven Price
2026-05-19 10:25   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 38/44] arm64: RMI: Propagate number of breakpoints and watchpoints to userspace Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 39/44] arm64: RMI: Set breakpoint parameters through SET_ONE_REG Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 40/44] arm64: RMI: Propagate max SVE vector length from RMM Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 41/44] arm64: RMI: Configure max SVE vector length for a Realm Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 42/44] arm64: RMI: Provide register list for unfinalized RMI RECs Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 43/44] arm64: RMI: Provide accurate register list Steven Price
2026-05-13 13:17 ` [PATCH v14 44/44] arm64: RMI: Enable realms to be created Steven Price

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