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From: Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>
To: Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>
Cc: "David Lechner" <dlechner@baylibre.com>,
	"Janani Sunil" <janani.sunil@analog.com>,
	"Lars-Peter Clausen" <lars@metafoo.de>,
	"Michael Hennerich" <Michael.Hennerich@analog.com>,
	"Nuno Sá" <nuno.sa@analog.com>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Conor Dooley" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Philipp Zabel" <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>,
	"Marius Cristea" <marius.cristea@microchip.com>,
	"Marcus Folkesson" <marcus.folkesson@gmail.com>,
	"Kent Gustavsson" <kent@minoris.se>,
	linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	"Janani Sunil" <jan.sun97@gmail.com>,
	linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, "Kent Gustavsson" <nedo80@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/7] dt-bindings: iio: adc: microchip,mcp3564: Add spi-device-addr
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 21:47:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260729-hundredth-suffice-f28afa67bc06@spud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260728221719.7f668a73@jic23-huawei>

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 10:17:19PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 17:00:55 +0100
> Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Jul 25, 2026 at 11:07:39PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > > On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:57:07 -0500
> > > David Lechner <dlechner@baylibre.com> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > On 7/22/26 2:54 AM, Janani Sunil wrote:  
> > > > > Add the generic spi-device-addr property to the binding and deprecate
> > > > > the existing vendor specific microchip,hw-device-address property.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Janani Sunil <janani.sunil@analog.com>
> > > > > ---
> > > > >  .../devicetree/bindings/iio/adc/microchip,mcp3564.yaml         | 10 ++++++++--
> > > > >  1 file changed, 8 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/adc/microchip,mcp3564.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/adc/microchip,mcp3564.yaml
> > > > > index 675319276197..de1ea289e7f5 100644
> > > > > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/adc/microchip,mcp3564.yaml
> > > > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/adc/microchip,mcp3564.yaml
> > > > > @@ -80,6 +80,7 @@ properties:
> > > > >      $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> > > > >      minimum: 0
> > > > >      maximum: 3
> > > > > +    deprecated: true
> > > > >      description:
> > > > >        The address is set on a per-device basis by fuses in the factory,
> > > > >        configured on request. If not requested, the fuses are set for 0x1.
> > > > > @@ -91,6 +92,12 @@ properties:
> > > > >        clocking of the device address (BITS[7:6] - top two bits of COMMAND BYTE
> > > > >        which is first one on the wire).
> > > > >  
> > > > > +  spi-device-addr:
> > > > > +    maxItems: 1    
> > > > 
> > > > Does it not make sense to all for more than once device connected
> > > > to the same CS here? I would expect maxItems to be 4 to match the
> > > > number of possible addresses.
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > I think for this part their isn't a reason to aggregate.
> > > No magic accesses that touch them all at once.  So this hits
> > > exactly the point you raised about how we set the address for
> > > more than one of them.  
> > 
> > No David is actually right here, and maxitems should be 4.
> > Setting the address for multiple was already discussed I thought, with
> > the property being an array and each compatible being used to determine
> > the "stride" between entries based on the number of supported channels?
> 
> I don't think that applies for this device or at least to do so
> is a major driver rewrite, not a simple binding change.  Probably we'd

Whether or not it is a big driver change, the binding should represent
what the hardware is capable of.

> just add a bus and hang the 4 instances off it. They are running on own
> timing etc so we can't grab data across all of them in any sort of
> synchronous way - the clocks will probably drift over time etc.

Did I miss something about the ADI devices in this thread where they
have some multicast ability to read all devices at once? I thought that
that was a different series where each device had dedicated mosi and
miso lines, rather than the shared ones here. I didn't think the ad5529r
did anything special from my reading of the datasheet but I'm not the
expert in this area!

> They are independent devices (think of them using spi-device-address
> like an i2c address) -  so why have one DT node for up to 4 of
> them?  Note this is different from the AD5529R where the design
> is intended for them to operate as one single larger device.

I don't buy this argument, I just don't see what differs between the
devices. The microchip datasheet I read talked about using 3 devices to
measure 3 phase power setups (I think that's what it was) which is, in
my book, evidence that they're not just intended to be used
independently.

That said, the more this discussion goes on, the more I think that
merging the devices into a single node is a mistake. Logically there may
be one device, but really there are one to four devices. Doing the
logical device thing is nice maybe for software but I no longer think
that it represents the hardware correctly. I know this will cause
problems with registration of devices in the SPI core, but we need to
pick one representation for these devices that fits in all usecases
and with the things brought up in the other mail I am having a lot of
doubts.

Only going to reply to this for now, I'll reply to the other thread of
this conversation later so as not to end up duplicating discussion, but
I am thinking of things like what if someone puts a mcp3654r and an
ad5529r on the same chip select? I think that's actually perfectly
functional on a hardware level, provided the fuses/pins are set up
correctly (and if it is not, mixing the microchip devices is possible
and probably mixing future ADI ones will be too).

Cheers,
Conor.

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-29 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-22  7:54 [PATCH v7 0/7] iio: dac: Add support for AD5529R DAC Janani Sunil
2026-07-22  7:54 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] spi: dt-bindings: Add spi-device-addr peripheral property Janani Sunil
2026-07-22 16:39   ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-23  5:48   ` Marcus Folkesson
2026-07-24 23:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-07-25 20:55   ` David Lechner
2026-07-25 22:04     ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-07-28 16:10       ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-28 17:06         ` Nuno Sá
2026-07-28 17:17           ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-28 18:39         ` David Lechner
2026-07-28 21:05           ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-07-28 21:46             ` David Lechner
2026-07-29 22:47               ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-07-28 16:55   ` Nuno Sá
2026-07-22  7:54 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] dt-bindings: iio: adc: microchip,mcp3564: Add spi-device-addr Janani Sunil
2026-07-22 16:40   ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-25 20:57   ` David Lechner
2026-07-25 22:07     ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-07-28 16:00       ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-28 21:17         ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-07-29 20:47           ` Conor Dooley [this message]
2026-07-29 21:40             ` David Lechner
2026-07-29 23:09             ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-07-22  7:54 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] iio: adc: mcp3564: Add support for spi-device-addr Janani Sunil
2026-07-22 16:45   ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-22 17:02     ` Marius.Cristea
2026-07-22 17:12       ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-22 17:06   ` Marius.Cristea
2026-07-22  7:54 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] dt-bindings: iio: adc: microchip,mcp3911: Add spi-device-addr Janani Sunil
2026-07-22 16:41   ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-23  5:46   ` Marcus Folkesson
2026-07-22  7:54 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] iio: adc: mcp3911: Add support for spi-device-addr Janani Sunil
2026-07-22 16:41   ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-22 16:43     ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-22 17:18       ` Marius.Cristea
2026-07-22 17:19   ` Marius.Cristea
2026-07-23  5:44   ` Marcus Folkesson
2026-07-22  7:54 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] dt-bindings: iio: dac: Add AD5529R Janani Sunil
2026-07-22 16:39   ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-25 20:38   ` David Lechner
2026-07-22  7:54 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] iio: dac: Add AD5529R DAC driver support Janani Sunil
2026-07-24 23:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-07-25 21:24   ` David Lechner

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