From: Babu Moger <babu.moger@amd.com>
To: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH v4 04/15] fs/resctrl: Introduce kernel mode (kmode) data structures
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2026 10:17:52 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9a53023a-9d6f-434f-96d3-188a176a6cc2@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e4c95002-ae8a-48d0-bedd-772db58b937e@intel.com>
Hi Reinette,
On 8/12/26 18:28, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> Hi Babu,
>
> On 8/12/26 12:58 PM, Moger, Babu wrote:
>> On 8/10/2026 10:03 PM, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>>> On 7/7/26 2:50 PM, Babu Moger wrote:
>
>>>> can report what is active or what the platform supports.
>>>>
>>>> Introduce enum resctrl_kernel_mode:
>>>> - INHERIT_CTRL_AND_MON: Kernel work inherits allocation and monitoring
>>>> from the user task (current behavior).
>>>
>>> The issue with this "combination" mode becomes obvious in patch 7. I also
>>> see that sashiko hinted at this issue but I am not able to see from your response
>>> what the plan is to address this. As highlighted by patch 7 and sashiko the
>>> "allocation" and "monitoring" features of a system are independent - a system
>>> need not support/enable both. This should be easy to reproduce by, for example,
>>> booting a system with needed rdt= options disabling allocation or monitoring
>>> features.
>>>
>>> I think it will be unexpected to a user on an allocation-only system to
>>> see interface like:
>>>
>>> # cat info/kernel_mode
>>> [inherit_ctrl_and_mon]
>>> global_assign_ctrl_inherit_mon_per_cpu:group=uninitialized
>>> global_assign_ctrl_assign_mon_per_cpu:group=uninitialized
>>>
>>> Should it not rather be, for example:
>>> # cat info/kernel_mode
>>> [inherit_ctrl]
>>> global_assign_ctrl_per_cpu:group=uninitialized
>>>
>>> Similarly the user input would not need to provide a monitor group when system
>>> only supports allocation.
>>
>> Ok. Yea. We need to separate control and monitor separately.
>>
>>
>> How about something like this?
>>
>> # cat info/kernel_mode
>> [ctrl=inherit,mon=inherit]
>> ctrl=assign,mon=inherit:group=uninitialized
>> ctrl=assign,mon=assign:group=uninitialized
>> ctrl=inherit,mon=assign:group=uninitialized
>>
>> If allocation(ctrl) is only supported.
>>
>> # cat info/kernel_mode
>> [ctrl=inherit]
>> ctrl=assign:group=uninitialized
>>
>> If monitor (mon) is only supported.
>>
>> # cat info/kernel_mode
>> [mon=inherit]
>> mon=assign:group=uninitialized
>>
>>
>
> Please always keep in mind all the requirements and use cases we learned about
> during and after RFC v1 of this work.
>
> For example, we already know that "per group" assignment is something resctrl
> needs to be ready for. Consider the example in
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/aYyxAPdTFejzsE42@e134344.arm.com/
>
> There may even be "per task" assignment in the future.
Yes. That is correct.
>
> Constraining this feature to PLZA will make it harder to enable the capabilities
> that we know resctrl need to support in the future.
>
> This is how we originally landed on the "global" assignment distinction
> (https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/2ab556af-095b-422b-9396-f845c6fd0342@intel.com/)
> "global assignment" should be kept or replaced with a solution that continues to
> prepare resctrl for these other capabilities.
Yes. Makes sense.
>
> I am not able to see how resctrl could support "per group" assignment with the
> interface you propose above. If I am missing this, please highlight the solution.
>
> resctrl may need to explicitly split kernel mode from kernel mode properties. For
> example, below shows an "assign_global_enable_per_cpu" as the kernel mode, now with three
> properties:
> - "ctrl" - could be "assign" or "inherit"
> - "mon" - could be "assign" or "inherit"
> - "group" - required if "ctrl" or "mon" is set to "assign"
ok.
>
> # cat info/kernel_mode
> [inherit]
> assign_global_enable_per_cpu:ctrl=assign;mon=assign;group=uninitialized
Shouldn't this be like below when default is inherit?
# cat info/kernel_mode
[inherit]
assign_global_enable_per_cpu
When the default changes to assign_global_enable_per_cpu:
# cat info/kernel_mode
inherit
[assign_global_enable_per_cpu:ctrl=assign;mon=assign;group=ctrl_mon1//]
Display the second mode with properties only when group is associated
with it?
# cat info/kernel_mode
inherit
[assign_global_enable_per_cpu:mon=assign;group=ctrl1/mon1/]
>
> When resctrl needs to support "per-group" assignment "kernel_mode" could contain
> below with supporting documentation noting which per-resource group files will
> appear when "assign_per_group" is selected that user space can use to manage
> the assignments.
>
> # cat info/kernel_mode
> [inherit]
> assign_per_group
>
I know it is future. What could be difference between
assign_global_enable_per_cpu and assign_per_group?
Thanks
Babu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-13 15:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-07 21:50 [RESEND PATCH v4 00/15] x86/resctrl: Add kernel-mode (e.g., PLZA) support to the resctrl subsystem Babu Moger
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 01/15] x86/resctrl: Support Privilege Level Zero Association (PLZA) Babu Moger
2026-07-07 22:01 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-08 14:51 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-08 17:27 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-08 16:55 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-08 23:28 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-09 0:00 ` Namhyung Kim
2026-07-09 0:12 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-10 0:55 ` Namhyung Kim
2026-07-10 1:46 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-11 2:51 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-11 20:02 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 02/15] x86/resctrl: Add PLZA support to command-line options Babu Moger
2026-07-08 17:39 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-11 2:53 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-11 20:03 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 03/15] x86/resctrl: Add data structures and definitions for PLZA configuration Babu Moger
2026-07-08 20:20 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-11 2:58 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-11 21:10 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-11 23:51 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-12 14:18 ` Moger, Babu
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 04/15] fs/resctrl: Introduce kernel mode (kmode) data structures Babu Moger
2026-07-08 20:56 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-11 3:03 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-12 19:58 ` Moger, Babu
2026-08-12 23:28 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 15:17 ` Babu Moger [this message]
2026-08-13 15:55 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 17:12 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-13 18:18 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 19:11 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-13 21:12 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 05/15] x86,fs/resctrl: Introduce architecture hooks to program kernel-mode Babu Moger
2026-07-08 23:04 ` Moger, Babu
2026-08-11 3:14 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-12 22:11 ` Moger, Babu
2026-08-12 23:34 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 15:39 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 06/15] fs/resctrl: Introduce resctrl_set_kmode_support() to initialize supported modes Babu Moger
2026-08-11 3:16 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-12 22:28 ` Moger, Babu
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 07/15] x86/resctrl: Expose the supported PLZA kernel-mode policies during init Babu Moger
2026-07-09 15:15 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 08/15] fs/resctrl: Add interface to display supported and active kernel-mode policy Babu Moger
2026-08-11 3:18 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-12 22:57 ` Moger, Babu
2026-08-12 23:38 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 16:04 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-13 18:23 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 09/15] fs/resctrl: Introduce kmode_cpus/kmode_cpus_list per rdtgroup Babu Moger
2026-08-11 3:20 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 17:57 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-13 18:19 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 19:27 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-13 20:49 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 10/15] fs/resctrl: Reset the kernel-mode binding when an rdtgroup is removed Babu Moger
2026-07-09 18:15 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-11 3:29 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 19:48 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 11/15] fs/resctrl: Program kernel-mode binding when CPU comes online Babu Moger
2026-07-09 20:01 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 12/15] fs/resctrl: Hide kmode_cpus[_list] on groups not bound to kernel-mode Babu Moger
2026-08-11 3:30 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 20:07 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 13/15] fs/resctrl: Add interface to modify kernel-mode via info/kernel_mode Babu Moger
2026-07-09 22:46 ` Moger, Babu
2026-08-11 3:40 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-13 20:55 ` Babu Moger
2026-08-13 21:21 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 14/15] fs/resctrl: Allow user space to write kmode_cpus/kmode_cpus_list Babu Moger
2026-07-09 23:14 ` Moger, Babu
2026-08-11 3:49 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-07 21:50 ` [RESEND PATCH v4 15/15] fs/resctrl: Add documentation on kernel_mode with example Babu Moger
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