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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Dionna Glaze <drdeeglaze@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:33:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ath4vwt7KGyDXKVJ@FV6GYCPJ69> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261019225658.GS13920@nvidia.com>

Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 12:56:58AM +0200, jgg@nvidia.com wrote:
>On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 09:10:31AM -0700, Dionna Glaze wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 5:08 AM Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yeah, I was thinking about this and went back and forth. In the end, the
>> > only reason for leaving it unbounded is to allow multiple independent
>> > users of the same register. For example, IMA and systemd could share a
>> > TDX RTMR. The systemd side would read the journal through the
>> > attestation device and the IMA side through securityfs, but both are
>> > views of the same journal. If one side truncated it, the other could no
>> > longer replay the RTMR. Isn't this the valid usecase? Do you see how to
>> > resolve this?
>> >
>> 
>> Bright minds have spent a significant amount of time working on this.
>> 
>> +Roberto Sassu, +Mimi Zohar
>> IMA logs and systemd logs are both system level concerns that are
>> relevant to the OS construction, not individual users,
>> so I would just say to reroute IMA to use ctlv using a kernel config
>> setting, then make systemd the new system manager of the holistic log.
>> The securityfs log contents can simply say, "log managed by ctlv" in
>> this setting, in the form of the template identifier.
>> For policy violations, only the 0... extend needs to go to ctlv.
>> IMA can still keep its violation log as a ring buffer when it's not a
>> 1-to-1 violation to extension
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyYUYbdiN_4
>
>I think for now we should not include a new dynamic log here, the uAPI
>around this Jiri drafted can remain a future step. I don't want to
>open complicated discussions about new functionality at this
>stage. The whole CTLV idea in general is a big enough thing to bite
>off for this series.

Okay, dropping the log from this set.

[..]

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-21  8:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-15 14:50 [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 22:31   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:00   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 23:39     ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:54     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:07         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 16:25     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:11   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:43   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:12   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:25   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:49       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 16:24         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 16:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 13:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16   ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-18 23:53           ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 12:08             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 16:10               ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 22:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21  8:33                   ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
2026-10-21 14:12                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:35                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20  9:26                 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 13:45                 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 14:06                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 15:22                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 16:11                       ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-20 16:52                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:23                           ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 13:18                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-21 13:50                               ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-21 13:51                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:31                               ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:39                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:48                         ` James Bottomley
2026-10-21 13:55                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-19 12:40             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-19 23:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:49       ` James Bottomley
2026-10-20 13:13         ` Jason Gunthorpe

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