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From: Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	tytso@mit.edu, sandeen@redhat.com, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -V3 01/11] percpu_counters: make fbc->count read atomic on 32 bit architecture
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:59:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1219964386.6384.63.camel@mingming-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080827210925.b4846037.akpm@linux-foundation.org>


在 2008-08-27三的 21:09 -0700,Andrew Morton写道:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:22:00 +0530 "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 02:22:50PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:01:52 +0200
> > > Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > +static inline s64 percpu_counter_read(struct percpu_counter *fbc)
> > > > > > +{
> > > > > > +	return fbc_count(fbc);
> > > > > > +}
> > > > > 
> > > > > This change means that a percpu_counter_read() from interrupt context
> > > > > on a 32-bit machine is now deadlockable, whereas it previously was not
> > > > > deadlockable on either 32-bit or 64-bit.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This flows on to the lib/proportions.c, which uses
> > > > > percpu_counter_read() and also does spin_lock_irqsave() internally,
> > > > > indicating that it is (or was) designed to be used in IRQ contexts.
> > > > 
> > > > percpu_counter() never was irq safe, which is why the proportion stuff
> > > > does all the irq disabling bits by hand.
> > > 
> > > percpu_counter_read() was irq-safe.  That changes here.  Needs careful
> > > review, changelogging and, preferably, runtime checks.  But perhaps
> > > they should be inside some CONFIG_thing which won't normally be done in
> > > production.
> > > 
> > > otoh, percpu_counter_read() is in fact a rare operation, so a bit of
> > > overhead probably won't matter.
> > > 
> > > (write-often, read-rarely is the whole point.  This patch's changelog's
> > > assertion that "Since fbc->count is read more frequently and updated
> > > rarely" is probably wrong.  Most percpu_counters will have their
> > > fbc->count modified far more frequently than having it read from).
> > 
> > we may actually be doing percpu_counter_add. But that doesn't update
> > fbc->count. Only if the local percpu values cross FBC_BATCH we update
> > fbc->count. If we are modifying fbc->count more frequently than
> > reading fbc->count then i guess we would be contenting of fbc->lock more.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Yep.  The frequency of modification of fbc->count is of the order of a
> tenth or a hundredth of the frequency of
> precpu_counter_<modification>() calls.
> 
> But in many cases the frequency of percpu_counter_read() calls is far
> far less than this.  For example, the percpu_counter_read() may only
> happen when userspace polls a /proc file.
> 
> 

The global counter is is much more frequently accessed with delalloc.:(

With delayed allocation, we have to do read the free blocks counter  at
each write_begin(),  to make sure there is enough free blocks to do
block reservation to prevent lately writepages returns ENOSPC.

Mingming

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-28 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-27 15:28 [PATCH -V3 01/11] percpu_counters: make fbc->count read atomic on 32 bit architecture Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28 ` [PATCH -V3 02/11] ext4: Make sure all the block allocation paths reserve blocks Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28   ` [PATCH -V3 03/11] ext4: Retry block reservation Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28     ` [PATCH -V3 04/11] ext4: Add percpu dirty block accounting Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28       ` [PATCH -V3 05/11] ext4: Switch to non delalloc mode when we are low on free blocks count Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28         ` [PATCH -V3 06/11] ext4: Update meta-data reservation with delalloc Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28           ` [PATCH -V3 07/11] ext4: request for blocks with ar.excepted_group = -1 Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28             ` [PATCH -V3 08/11] ext4: Signed arithematic fix Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28               ` [PATCH -V3 09/11] ext4: Fix ext4 nomballoc allocator for ENOSPC Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28                 ` [PATCH -V3 10/11] ext4: Add inode to journal handle after block allocation for ordered mode Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-27 15:28                   ` [PATCH -V3 11/11] ext4: Retry block allocation if we have free blocks left Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-28 21:57                 ` [PATCH -V3 09/11] ext4: Fix ext4 nomballoc allocator for ENOSPC Mingming Cao
2008-08-29  3:44                   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-29  4:14                     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-29  5:02                       ` Mingming Cao
2008-08-29  5:06                     ` Mingming Cao
2008-08-29  8:25                       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-28 21:04               ` [PATCH -V3 08/11] ext4: Signed arithematic fix Mingming Cao
2008-08-28 21:03             ` [PATCH -V3 07/11] ext4: request for blocks with ar.excepted_group = -1 Mingming Cao
2008-08-28 21:03           ` [PATCH -V3 06/11] ext4: Update meta-data reservation with delalloc Mingming Cao
2008-08-28 20:57         ` [PATCH -V3 05/11] ext4: Switch to non delalloc mode when we are low on free blocks count Mingming Cao
2008-08-28 20:56       ` [PATCH -V3 04/11] ext4: Add percpu dirty block accounting Mingming Cao
2008-10-09 20:44       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-10-10  4:52         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-10-10  4:58           ` Eric Sandeen
2008-10-11 21:10         ` Andreas Dilger
2008-08-28 20:42     ` [PATCH -V3 03/11] ext4: Retry block reservation Mingming Cao
2008-08-28 20:41   ` [PATCH -V3 02/11] ext4: Make sure all the block allocation paths reserve blocks Mingming Cao
2008-08-27 19:05 ` [PATCH -V3 01/11] percpu_counters: make fbc->count read atomic on 32 bit architecture Andrew Morton
2008-08-27 21:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-27 21:22     ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-28  3:52       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-28  4:09         ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-28 22:59           ` Mingming Cao [this message]
2008-08-28  7:57       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-28  3:48   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2008-08-28  4:06     ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-28 14:19       ` Nick Piggin

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