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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Baokun Li <libaokun1@huawei.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, adilger.kernel@dilger.ca,
	ojaswin@linux.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	yi.zhang@huawei.com, yangerkun@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/16] ext4: remove unnecessary s_md_lock on update s_mb_last_group
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2025 23:01:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250714030113.GA23343@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6bf7irhdjrsvuodga344g2ulha52z65f2qf2l3tuldvwbb5pf6@cz7m2gypd4su>

On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 04:38:33PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> 
> Yes, apparently both approaches have their pros and cons. I'm actually
> surprised the impact of additional barriers on ARM is so big for the
> single container case. 10% gain for single container cases look nice OTOH
> realistical workloads will have more container so maybe that's not worth
> optimizing for. Ted, do you have any opinion?

Let me try to summarize; regardless of whether we use
{READ,WRITE})_ONCE or smp_load_acquire / smp_store_restore, both are
signiicantly better than using a the spinlock.  The other thing about
the "single-threaded perforance" is that there is the aditional cost
of the CPU-to-CPU syncing is not free.  But CPU synchronization cost
applies when that the single thread is bouncing between CPU's --- if
we hada single threaded application which is pinned on a single CPU
cost of smp_load_acquire would't be there since the cache line
wouldn't be bouncing back and forth.  Is that correct, or am I missing
something?

In any case, so long as the single-threaded performance doesn't
regress relative to the current spin_lock implementation, I'm inclined
to prefer the use smp_load_acquire approach if it improves
multi-threaded allocation performance on ARM64.

Cheers,

							- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-14  3:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-23  7:32 [PATCH v2 00/16] ext4: better scalability for ext4 block allocation Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 01/16] ext4: add ext4_try_lock_group() to skip busy groups Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:06   ` Jan Kara
2025-07-14  6:53   ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 02/16] ext4: remove unnecessary s_mb_last_start Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:15   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  3:32     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30  7:31       ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  7:52         ` Baokun Li
2025-07-14  7:00           ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 03/16] ext4: remove unnecessary s_md_lock on update s_mb_last_group Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:19   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  3:48     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30  7:47       ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  9:21         ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30 16:32           ` Jan Kara
2025-07-01  2:39             ` Baokun Li
2025-07-01 12:21               ` Jan Kara
2025-07-01 13:17                 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-08 13:08                 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-10 14:38                   ` Jan Kara
2025-07-14  3:01                     ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2025-07-14  7:00                       ` Baokun Li
2025-07-01  2:57   ` kernel test robot
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 04/16] ext4: utilize multiple global goals to reduce contention Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:31   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  6:50     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30  8:38       ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30 10:02         ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30 17:41           ` Jan Kara
2025-07-01  3:32             ` Baokun Li
2025-07-01 11:53               ` Jan Kara
2025-07-01 12:12                 ` Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 05/16] ext4: get rid of some obsolete EXT4_MB_HINT flags Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 06/16] ext4: fix typo in CR_GOAL_LEN_SLOW comment Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 07/16] ext4: convert sbi->s_mb_free_pending to atomic_t Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:33   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 08/16] ext4: merge freed extent with existing extents before insertion Baokun Li
2025-06-27 19:11   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 09/16] ext4: fix zombie groups in average fragment size lists Baokun Li
2025-06-27 19:14   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  6:53     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 10/16] ext4: fix largest free orders lists corruption on mb_optimize_scan switch Baokun Li
2025-06-27 19:34   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  7:34     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 11/16] ext4: factor out __ext4_mb_scan_group() Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 12/16] ext4: factor out ext4_mb_might_prefetch() Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 13/16] ext4: factor out ext4_mb_scan_group() Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 14/16] ext4: convert free group lists to ordered xarrays Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 15/16] ext4: refactor choose group to scan group Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 16/16] ext4: ensure global ordered traversal across all free groups xarrays Baokun Li

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