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From: Baokun Li <libaokun1@huawei.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>, <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	<ojaswin@linux.ibm.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<yi.zhang@huawei.com>, <yangerkun@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/16] ext4: remove unnecessary s_md_lock on update s_mb_last_group
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 15:00:13 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e7ca39ac-69b5-455b-af11-78a1a0b013f1@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250714030113.GA23343@mit.edu>

Hello!

On 2025/7/14 11:01, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 04:38:33PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
>> Yes, apparently both approaches have their pros and cons. I'm actually
>> surprised the impact of additional barriers on ARM is so big for the
>> single container case. 10% gain for single container cases look nice OTOH
>> realistical workloads will have more container so maybe that's not worth
>> optimizing for. Ted, do you have any opinion?
> Let me try to summarize; regardless of whether we use
> {READ,WRITE})_ONCE or smp_load_acquire / smp_store_restore, both are
> signiicantly better than using a the spinlock.  The other thing about
> the "single-threaded perforance" is that there is the aditional cost
> of the CPU-to-CPU syncing is not free.  But CPU synchronization cost
> applies when that the single thread is bouncing between CPU's --- if
> we hada single threaded application which is pinned on a single CPU
> cost of smp_load_acquire would't be there since the cache line
> wouldn't be bouncing back and forth.  Is that correct, or am I missing
> something?
>
> In any case, so long as the single-threaded performance doesn't
> regress relative to the current spin_lock implementation, I'm inclined
> to prefer the use smp_load_acquire approach if it improves
> multi-threaded allocation performance on ARM64.
>
> Cheers,
>
> 							- Ted
>
Using {READ,WRITE}_ONCE yielded a very significant improvement in single
container scenarios (10%-16%). Although there was a slight decrease in
multi-container scenarios (-1% to -3%), subsequent optimizations
compensated for this.

To prevent regressions in single-container performance, we ultimately chose
{READ,WRITE}_ONCE for the v3 release last week.

Thank you for your suggestion!


Cheers,
Baokun


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-14  7:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-23  7:32 [PATCH v2 00/16] ext4: better scalability for ext4 block allocation Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 01/16] ext4: add ext4_try_lock_group() to skip busy groups Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:06   ` Jan Kara
2025-07-14  6:53   ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 02/16] ext4: remove unnecessary s_mb_last_start Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:15   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  3:32     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30  7:31       ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  7:52         ` Baokun Li
2025-07-14  7:00           ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 03/16] ext4: remove unnecessary s_md_lock on update s_mb_last_group Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:19   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  3:48     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30  7:47       ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  9:21         ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30 16:32           ` Jan Kara
2025-07-01  2:39             ` Baokun Li
2025-07-01 12:21               ` Jan Kara
2025-07-01 13:17                 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-08 13:08                 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-10 14:38                   ` Jan Kara
2025-07-14  3:01                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-14  7:00                       ` Baokun Li [this message]
2025-07-01  2:57   ` kernel test robot
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 04/16] ext4: utilize multiple global goals to reduce contention Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:31   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  6:50     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30  8:38       ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30 10:02         ` Baokun Li
2025-06-30 17:41           ` Jan Kara
2025-07-01  3:32             ` Baokun Li
2025-07-01 11:53               ` Jan Kara
2025-07-01 12:12                 ` Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 05/16] ext4: get rid of some obsolete EXT4_MB_HINT flags Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 06/16] ext4: fix typo in CR_GOAL_LEN_SLOW comment Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 07/16] ext4: convert sbi->s_mb_free_pending to atomic_t Baokun Li
2025-06-27 18:33   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 08/16] ext4: merge freed extent with existing extents before insertion Baokun Li
2025-06-27 19:11   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 09/16] ext4: fix zombie groups in average fragment size lists Baokun Li
2025-06-27 19:14   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  6:53     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 10/16] ext4: fix largest free orders lists corruption on mb_optimize_scan switch Baokun Li
2025-06-27 19:34   ` Jan Kara
2025-06-30  7:34     ` Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:32 ` [PATCH v2 11/16] ext4: factor out __ext4_mb_scan_group() Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 12/16] ext4: factor out ext4_mb_might_prefetch() Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 13/16] ext4: factor out ext4_mb_scan_group() Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 14/16] ext4: convert free group lists to ordered xarrays Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 15/16] ext4: refactor choose group to scan group Baokun Li
2025-06-23  7:33 ` [PATCH v2 16/16] ext4: ensure global ordered traversal across all free groups xarrays Baokun Li

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