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From: Aurelien DESBRIERES <aurelien@hackers.camp>
To: Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 06/10] ftrfs: add block and inode allocator
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:11:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1776175891.838384.12723.nullmailer@hackers.camp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260413152101.GX6202@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 08:21:01AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> No journalling? Or even COW metadata? How is this fault tolerant??

Fair question. The answer is that FTRFS fault tolerance is at the
block data layer via Reed-Solomon FEC, not at the metadata consistency
layer via journalling or COW.

The threat model is radiation-induced single-event upsets (SEU) causing
silent bit flips in data at rest on MRAM or NOR flash. Journalling
protects against crash consistency (power loss mid-write). COW protects
against torn writes. Neither corrects a bit flip that occurred while
the device was idle and powered.

RS FEC corrects up to 8 symbol errors per 255-byte subblock in place,
without requiring a redundant copy. That is the specific gap that
FTRFS addresses. The Radiation Event Journal (added in v3) provides a
persistent log of every correction event in the superblock, giving
operators a map of physical degradation over time.

Journalling for crash consistency is a valid concern for v4. The
current design assumes the target environment (space, avionics) has
well-defined power cycles and controlled shutdown procedures, which
reduces the crash consistency risk relative to general-purpose use.
This will be documented explicitly in v4.

Aurelien DESBRIERES <aurelien@hackers.camp>

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-14 12:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-13 14:23 [RFC PATCH 0/10] ftrfs: Fault-Tolerant Radiation-Robust Filesystem Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 01/10] ftrfs: add on-disk format and in-memory data structures Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:11   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-13 17:26     ` Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 02/10] ftrfs: add superblock operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 03/10] ftrfs: add inode operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 04/10] ftrfs: add directory operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 05/10] ftrfs: add file operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:09   ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]     ` <CAM=40tU5NppEZ9x07qDVkSxLw6Ga4nVg7sDCqcvhfQ51VbsS9Q@mail.gmail.com>
2026-04-13 17:41       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] ftrfs: add block and inode allocator Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:21   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-14 14:11     ` Aurelien DESBRIERES [this message]
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 07/10] ftrfs: add filename and directory entry operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 08/10] ftrfs: add CRC32 checksumming and Reed-Solomon FEC skeleton Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] ftrfs: add Kconfig, Makefile and fs/ tree integration Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] MAINTAINERS: add entry for FTRFS filesystem Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:04 ` [RFC PATCH 0/10] ftrfs: Fault-Tolerant Radiation-Robust Filesystem Pedro Falcato
2026-04-13 18:03   ` Andreas Dilger
2026-04-14  2:56     ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-14 14:11     ` Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-14 13:30   ` Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:06 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-13 18:11   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-14 14:11     ` Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-14 13:31   ` Aurelien DESBRIERES

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