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From: Aurelien DESBRIERES <aurelien@hackers.camp>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
Cc: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/10] ftrfs: Fault-Tolerant Radiation-Robust Filesystem
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:11:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1776175891.864729.12729.nullmailer@hackers.camp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B1515863-5EA3-44A7-BEC2-40A49BEDE7DD@dilger.ca>

On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 12:03:10PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> Modern ext4 has metadata checksums for many years, and fsverity can
> be used to add Merkle-tree checksums for file data. Data redundancy
> can be handled by the block layer.

ext4 checksums and fsverity both detect corruption. Neither corrects
it. On a single MRAM or NOR flash device in a nanosatellite, there is
no block layer redundancy available. Detection without correction means
data loss.

RS FEC integrated at the filesystem block level corrects up to 8 symbol
errors per 255-byte subblock in place, on a single device, without
external redundancy. That is the specific gap that FTRFS addresses and
that no existing Linux filesystem provides.

> If code size/complexity is a significant issue for new embedded
> satellite controllers, then implementing "read-only" support for ext4
> could be fairly straight forward development.

Read-only ext4 does not solve the write path requirement. The target
systems require read-write access to MRAM during mission operations
(telemetry, payload data). A read-only filesystem is not sufficient.

> You also have to consider that filesystems are critical components of
> any computer, and having bugs in newly-developed filesystem code could
> be as fatal to the satellite as the radiation. The general rule of
> thumb is that filesystems take about 10 years to mature.

Acknowledged. This is precisely why the design targets under 5000
lines of auditable code, why the on-disk format is deliberately
simple (ext2-reminiscent), and why DO-178C / ECSS-E-ST-40C
certification is an explicit design constraint. A smaller, auditable
codebase reduces the bug surface. The maturity concern is real and
will be addressed through progressive validation - the Yocto arm64
HPC cluster (Slurm 25.11.4, kernel 7.0) is the first step.

Aurelien DESBRIERES <aurelien@hackers.camp>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-04-14 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-13 14:23 [RFC PATCH 0/10] ftrfs: Fault-Tolerant Radiation-Robust Filesystem Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 01/10] ftrfs: add on-disk format and in-memory data structures Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:11   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-13 17:26     ` Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 02/10] ftrfs: add superblock operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 03/10] ftrfs: add inode operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 04/10] ftrfs: add directory operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 05/10] ftrfs: add file operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:09   ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]     ` <CAM=40tU5NppEZ9x07qDVkSxLw6Ga4nVg7sDCqcvhfQ51VbsS9Q@mail.gmail.com>
2026-04-13 17:41       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] ftrfs: add block and inode allocator Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:21   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-14 14:11     ` Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 07/10] ftrfs: add filename and directory entry operations Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 08/10] ftrfs: add CRC32 checksumming and Reed-Solomon FEC skeleton Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] ftrfs: add Kconfig, Makefile and fs/ tree integration Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 14:23 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] MAINTAINERS: add entry for FTRFS filesystem Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:04 ` [RFC PATCH 0/10] ftrfs: Fault-Tolerant Radiation-Robust Filesystem Pedro Falcato
2026-04-13 18:03   ` Andreas Dilger
2026-04-14  2:56     ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-14 14:11     ` Aurelien DESBRIERES [this message]
2026-04-14 13:30   ` Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-13 15:06 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-13 18:11   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-14 14:11     ` Aurelien DESBRIERES
2026-04-14 13:31   ` Aurelien DESBRIERES

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