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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [RFC] dentry->d_flags locking
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 01:38:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250224013844.GU1977892@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250224010624.GT1977892@ZenIV>

On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 01:06:24AM +0000, Al Viro wrote:

> PS: turns out that set_default_d_op() is slightly more interesting
> than I expected - fuse has separate dentry_operations for its
> root dentry.  I don't see the point, TBH - the only difference is
> that root one lacks
> 	* ->d_delete() (never even called for root dentry; it's
> only called if d_unhashed() is false)
> 	* ->d_revalidate() (never called for root)
> 	* ->d_automount() (not even looked at unless you have
> S_AUTOMOUNT set on the inode).
> What's wrong with using fuse_dentry_operations for root dentry?
> Am I missing something subtle here?  Miklos?

Speaking of fun questions - does pidfs_dentry_operations need
->d_delete()?  I mean, it's not even called for unhashed
dentries and AFAICS there's no way for those to be hashed...
The same goes for all filesystems created by init_pseudo().

Is there any reason to have that in pidfs_dentry_operations and
ns_dentry_operations?

I think nsfs is my sloppiness back then - original commit message
explicitly says that neither dentries nor inodes in that thing
are ever hashed, so ->d_delete() had been clearly pointless
from the very beginning.

Christian, pidfs looks like it just had copied that from nsfs.
Is there something subtle about pidfs that makes ->d_delete()
needed there?

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-24  1:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-24  1:06 [RFC] dentry->d_flags locking Al Viro
2025-02-24  1:38 ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-02-24 10:35   ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 14:14     ` Al Viro
2025-02-24 21:20       ` [PATCH 01/21] procfs: kill ->proc_dops Al Viro
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 02/21] new helper: d_splice_alias_ops() Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:28           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 03/21] switch procfs from d_set_d_op() to d_splice_alias_ops() Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:29           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 04/21] fuse: no need for special dentry_operations for root dentry Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:29           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-27 14:33           ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 05/21] new helper: set_default_d_op() Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:30           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 06/21] split d_flags calculation out of d_set_d_op() Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:31           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 07/21] set_default_d_op(): calculate the matching value for ->d_flags Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:33           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 08/21] simple_lookup(): just set DCACHE_DONTCACHE Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:34           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 09/21] make d_set_d_op() static Al Viro
2025-02-25 23:09           ` NeilBrown
2025-02-26  8:35           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 10/21] d_alloc_parallel(): set DCACHE_PAR_LOOKUP earlier Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:36           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 11/21] nsfs, pidfs: drop the pointless ->d_delete() Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:37           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 12/21] shmem: no dentry retention past the refcount reaching zero Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:38           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 13/21] devpts, sunrpc: don't bother with ->d_delete or ->d_op, for that matter Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:38           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 14/21] hostfs: don't bother with ->d_op Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:38           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 15/21] kill simple_dentry_operations Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:39           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 16/21] ramfs, hugetlbfs, mqueue: set DCACHE_DONTCACHE Al Viro
2025-02-25 23:25           ` NeilBrown
2025-02-25 23:36             ` Al Viro
2025-02-25 23:40               ` NeilBrown
2025-02-26  8:39           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 17/21] 9p: don't bother with always_delete_dentry Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:40           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 18/21] efivarfs: use DCACHE_DONTCACHE instead of always_delete_dentry() Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:40           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 19/21] debugfs: use DCACHE_DONTCACHE Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:40           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 20/21] configfs: " Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:40           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 21:20         ` [PATCH 21/21] afs dynroot: " Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:41           ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-25 15:55         ` [PATCH 01/21] procfs: kill ->proc_dops Jan Kara
2025-02-25 23:30           ` NeilBrown
2025-02-25 23:56             ` Al Viro
2025-02-25 22:51         ` NeilBrown
2025-02-26  0:03           ` Al Viro
2025-02-26  8:25         ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-26  8:41       ` [RFC] dentry->d_flags locking Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 11:45 ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-11  7:50   ` [RFC][PATCHES v2] " Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54     ` [PATCH v2 01/21] d_set_mounted(): we don't need to bump seqcount component of rename_lock Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 02/21] procfs: kill ->proc_dops Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 03/21] new helper: d_splice_alias_ops() Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 04/21] switch procfs from d_set_d_op() to d_splice_alias_ops() Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 05/21] fuse: no need for special dentry_operations for root dentry Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 06/21] new helper: set_default_d_op() Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 07/21] split d_flags calculation out of d_set_d_op() Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 08/21] correct the set of flags forbidden at d_set_d_op() time Al Viro
2025-06-11  9:49         ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 09/21] set_default_d_op(): calculate the matching value for ->d_flags Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 10/21] simple_lookup(): just set DCACHE_DONTCACHE Al Viro
2025-06-11  9:50         ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 11/21] make d_set_d_op() static Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 12/21] d_alloc_parallel(): set DCACHE_PAR_LOOKUP earlier Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 13/21] shmem: no dentry retention past the refcount reaching zero Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 14/21] devpts, sunrpc, hostfs: don't bother with ->d_op Al Viro
2025-06-11  9:50         ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 15/21] kill simple_dentry_operations Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 16/21] ramfs, hugetlbfs, mqueue: set DCACHE_DONTCACHE Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 17/21] 9p: don't bother with always_delete_dentry Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 18/21] efivarfs: use DCACHE_DONTCACHE instead of always_delete_dentry() Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 19/21] debugfs: use DCACHE_DONTCACHE Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 20/21] configfs: " Al Viro
2025-06-11  7:54       ` [PATCH v2 21/21] tracefs: set DCACHE_DONTCACHE Al Viro
2025-06-11  9:51         ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-11  9:47     ` [RFC][PATCHES v2] dentry->d_flags locking Christian Brauner
2025-02-24 14:07 ` [RFC] " Miklos Szeredi
2025-02-25 17:56   ` Al Viro

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