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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
       [not found] <20021004040843Z261464-8740+5907@vger.kernel.org>
@ 2002-10-04  4:47 ` Brett Mueller
  2002-10-04  6:58   ` Craig Small
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Brett Mueller @ 2002-10-04  4:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-hams

Hmm, looks a bit fishy to me:

Someone's machine at 203.87.77.236 wrote:
 > Hi All,
 >
 > AO-40 Message of the Day:
 >
 > +--------------------------------------------------------------+
 > | ALON/ALAT=30/5, EXPERIMENTAL U/L1->S2, MA 1
 >
 > Content-Type: application/x-msdownload; name="DOG1.MPG.exe"
 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
 > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="DOG1.MPG.exe"

73,

Brett



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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-04  4:47 ` AO-40 Transponder Operation Brett Mueller
@ 2002-10-04  6:58   ` Craig Small
  2002-10-04  7:28     ` Jean-Paul ROUBELAT
  2002-10-04 12:16     ` AO-40 Transponder Operation Margaret Leber
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Craig Small @ 2002-10-04  6:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Brett Mueller; +Cc: linux-hams

On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:47:58PM -0700, Brett Mueller wrote:
> Hmm, looks a bit fishy to me:
> 
> Someone's machine at 203.87.77.236 wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > AO-40 Message of the Day:
> >
> > +--------------------------------------------------------------+
> > | ALON/ALAT=30/5, EXPERIMENTAL U/L1->S2, MA 1
> >
> > Content-Type: application/x-msdownload; name="DOG1.MPG.exe"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="DOG1.MPG.exe"

Double suffix files, it's Klez worm.

  - Craig
-- 
Craig Small VK2XLZ  GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE  95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5
Eye-Net Consulting http://www.enc.com.au/                <csmall@enc.com.au>
MIEEE <csmall@ieee.org>                 Debian developer <csmall@debian.org>

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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-04  6:58   ` Craig Small
@ 2002-10-04  7:28     ` Jean-Paul ROUBELAT
  2002-10-04 10:57       ` Virus Warning (was: Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation) Cees Tool
  2002-10-04 12:16     ` AO-40 Transponder Operation Margaret Leber
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Jean-Paul ROUBELAT @ 2002-10-04  7:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: "Graham Ratcliff"; +Cc: linux-hams

Yes, Graham's mail holds a virus

---

Here is the output of the scanner:

AntiVir / Linux Version 2.0.4-6
Copyright (C) 1994-2002 by H+BEDV Datentechnik GmbH.
All rights reserved.

Loading /usr/bin/../lib/AntiVir/antivir.vdf ...

VDF version: 6.15.0.14 created 02 Oct 2002

checking drive/path (list):
/var/spool/vscan/amavis/amavis-milter-XXiDqNzb/parts
/var/spool/vscan/amavis/amavis-milter-XXiDqNzb/parts/msg-29221-2.exe
 Date:  4.10.2002  Time: 04:15:57  Size: 50688
 ALERT: [Worm/Tanatos.1 virus]
/var/spool/vscan/amavis/amavis-milter-XXiDqNzb/parts/msg-29221-2.exe

<<< Contains signature of the worm Worm/Tanatos.1

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jean-Paul ROUBELAT - F6FBB      | Computers are like air-conditioners :
Packet: F6FBB@F6FBB.FMLR.FRA.EU | they stop working properly as soon as
Email : jpr@f6fbb.org           | you open windows.
WEB   : http://www.f6fbb.org    |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Small" <csmall@enc.com.au>
To: "Brett Mueller" <wa7v@digitalhams.com>
Cc: <linux-hams@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation


> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:47:58PM -0700, Brett Mueller wrote:
> > Hmm, looks a bit fishy to me:
> >
> > Someone's machine at 203.87.77.236 wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > AO-40 Message of the Day:
> > >
> > > +--------------------------------------------------------------+
> > > | ALON/ALAT=30/5, EXPERIMENTAL U/L1->S2, MA 1
> > >
> > > Content-Type: application/x-msdownload; name="DOG1.MPG.exe"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> > > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="DOG1.MPG.exe"
>
> Double suffix files, it's Klez worm.
>
>   - Craig
> --
> Craig Small VK2XLZ  GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE  95CB C76C E5AC 12CA
DFA5
> Eye-Net Consulting http://www.enc.com.au/
<csmall@enc.com.au>
> MIEEE <csmall@ieee.org>                 Debian developer
<csmall@debian.org>
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* Virus Warning  (was: Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation)
  2002-10-04  7:28     ` Jean-Paul ROUBELAT
@ 2002-10-04 10:57       ` Cees Tool
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Cees Tool @ 2002-10-04 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Linux-Hams

Hi,

The message from Graham Radcliff is not the only one. In the last 2 days I
have received 4 mails with the same virus from different sources.

I also received one from:  Greg Blakely, but when checking the headers of
that message it was uploaded not by greg, but somewhere by a dial-in account
in the netherlands. So it is spoofing the "sender" too. That mail looked
like a "GW-List" mail.

The Virus reported is "W32.Bugbear@mm virus", which is very active the last
couple of days, and a "catagory 4" (out of 5) threat. (It is also known as
Tanatos)
More info on :

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.bugbear@mm.html

There are reports that the virus tries to steal creditcard / payment
information from your computer.

(Systems Not Affected: Macintosh, Unix, Linux  ;o)


Regards,
Cees - PA3AES




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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-04  6:58   ` Craig Small
  2002-10-04  7:28     ` Jean-Paul ROUBELAT
@ 2002-10-04 12:16     ` Margaret Leber
  2002-10-04 12:28       ` Margaret Leber
  2002-10-04 17:55       ` Nate Bargmann
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Margaret Leber @ 2002-10-04 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Craig Small; +Cc: Brett Mueller, linux-hams

Craig Small wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:47:58PM -0700, Brett Mueller wrote:
> 
>>Hmm, looks a bit fishy to me:
>>
>>Someone's machine at 203.87.77.236 wrote:
>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>AO-40 Message of the Day:
>>>
>>>+--------------------------------------------------------------+
>>>| ALON/ALAT=30/5, EXPERIMENTAL U/L1->S2, MA 1
>>>
>>>Content-Type: application/x-msdownload; name="DOG1.MPG.exe"
>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>>>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="DOG1.MPG.exe"
>>
> 
> Double suffix files, it's Klez worm.

Didn't have an <iframe infector...but perhaps that was stripped by the 
listserver.

Nonetheless, it's still a Windows virus. I'm starting to see more and 
more  Klez-infected messages coming from people in the ham community.

  73 de Maggie K3XS


-- 
-----/___.   _)   Margaret Stephanie Leber    / "The art of progress  /
----/(, /|  /| http://voicenet.com/~maggie   / consists of preserving/
---/   / | / |  _   _   _    `  _AOPA 925383/ order amid change and /
--/ ) /  |/  |_(_(_(_/_(_/__(__(/_  FN20hd / change amid order."   /
-/ (_/   '  K3XS  .-/ .-/    ARRL 39280   /___ --A.N.Whitehead ___/
/____ICQ 7161096_(_/_(_/__AMSAT 32844____/ <maggie@voicenet.com>



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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-04 12:16     ` AO-40 Transponder Operation Margaret Leber
@ 2002-10-04 12:28       ` Margaret Leber
  2002-10-04 17:55       ` Nate Bargmann
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Margaret Leber @ 2002-10-04 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Margaret Leber, linux-hams; +Cc: Craig Small, Brett Mueller

Margaret Leber wrote:
> Craig Small wrote:
>> Double suffix files, it's Klez worm.
> Didn't have an <iframe infector...but perhaps that was stripped by the 
> listserver.
> 
> Nonetheless, it's still a Windows virus. I'm starting to see more and 
> more  Klez-infected messages coming from people in the ham community.

A followup: it's much worse than Klez, with a 50,688 byte payload, it's 
Bugbear.  Nasty.

    http://www.messagelabs.com/viruseye/report.asp?id=110

  73 de Maggie K3XS

-- 
-----/___.   _)   Margaret Stephanie Leber    / "The art of progress  /
----/(, /|  /| http://voicenet.com/~maggie   / consists of preserving/
---/   / | / |  _   _   _    `  _AOPA 925383/ order amid change and /
--/ ) /  |/  |_(_(_(_/_(_/__(__(/_  FN20hd / change amid order."   /
-/ (_/   '  K3XS  .-/ .-/    ARRL 39280   /___ --A.N.Whitehead ___/
/____ICQ 7161096_(_/_(_/__AMSAT 32844____/ <maggie@voicenet.com>



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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-04 12:16     ` AO-40 Transponder Operation Margaret Leber
  2002-10-04 12:28       ` Margaret Leber
@ 2002-10-04 17:55       ` Nate Bargmann
  2002-10-04 21:59         ` jeff
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Nate Bargmann @ 2002-10-04 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-hams

* Margaret Leber <maggie@voicenet.com> [2002 Oct 04 12:13 -0500]:
> 
> Nonetheless, it's still a Windows virus. I'm starting to see more and 
> more  Klez-infected messages coming from people in the ham community.

Sadly, I was hoping the trend would be the other way by now as more hams
would be using the Free OSes.  It appears this hasn't been the case.

Linux is slowly gaining more mention in the mainstream ham press.
Somehow it seems that as a group hams pretend to be on the cutting edge
of technology.  Most, however, are content to wallow in their current 
comfort zone.

I've advocated Linux for the past few years and have found very few
takers.  Even with standing offers of help to other hams with getting 
a Linux system going, I'm met with hams wanting help with their Doze 
machine, which I won't do.

I've come to the conclusion that the only way a majority of hams will
give Linux a try is for some cool new mode of communications ala PSK31
would be available on Linux first and that a Doze version would be
non-existant.  Unfortunately, it's been working the other way around.

I'm glad Jonathan took on developing a WSJ app for Linux.  This is a
seriously cool mode, as I understand it, and a lack of a similar
capability puts my hamming at a severe disadvantage if I want to run the
latest ham tech.  The Gate's Tax is not welcome in my life and I will do
without before installing his bits on my machines.

Sigh...Off my soapbox now.

73, de Nate >>

-- 
 Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB          | "We have awakened a
 Internet | n0nb@networksplus.net               | sleeping giant and
 Location | Bremen, Kansas USA EM19ov           | have instilled in him
  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | a terrible resolve".
             http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/           | - Admiral Yamomoto

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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-04 17:55       ` Nate Bargmann
@ 2002-10-04 21:59         ` jeff
  2002-10-05  2:50           ` Nate Bargmann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: jeff @ 2002-10-04 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nate Bargmann; +Cc: linux-hams

Actually there are hams that use Linux. I have written a couple of radio 
control programs for Kenwoods that run under Linux. One is exclusive 
Linux and the other is written in Tcl/Tk that runs under Linux, Windows, 
Mac or any system that there is a Tcl/Tk package for, and there are a 
couple of dozen systems supported.

I also wrote a APRS app under Tcl/Tk that runs under Linux/Windows that 
uses the online Tiger mapping service to draw the map and place APRS 
stations on.

I also am putting the finishing touches on a Linux echolink/ilnk app 
called echoLinux. It is alpha right now.

So there are hams who use Linux.

Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Margaret Leber <maggie@voicenet.com> [2002 Oct 04 12:13 -0500]:
> 
>>Nonetheless, it's still a Windows virus. I'm starting to see more and 
>>more  Klez-infected messages coming from people in the ham community.
> 
> 
> Sadly, I was hoping the trend would be the other way by now as more hams
> would be using the Free OSes.  It appears this hasn't been the case.
> 
> Linux is slowly gaining more mention in the mainstream ham press.
> Somehow it seems that as a group hams pretend to be on the cutting edge
> of technology.  Most, however, are content to wallow in their current 
> comfort zone.
> 
> I've advocated Linux for the past few years and have found very few
> takers.  Even with standing offers of help to other hams with getting 
> a Linux system going, I'm met with hams wanting help with their Doze 
> machine, which I won't do.
> 
> I've come to the conclusion that the only way a majority of hams will
> give Linux a try is for some cool new mode of communications ala PSK31
> would be available on Linux first and that a Doze version would be
> non-existant.  Unfortunately, it's been working the other way around.
> 
> I'm glad Jonathan took on developing a WSJ app for Linux.  This is a
> seriously cool mode, as I understand it, and a lack of a similar
> capability puts my hamming at a severe disadvantage if I want to run the
> latest ham tech.  The Gate's Tax is not welcome in my life and I will do
> without before installing his bits on my machines.
> 
> Sigh...Off my soapbox now.
> 
> 73, de Nate >>
> 



-- 
Jeff, wd4nmq
wd4nmq@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~wd4nmq
iLink client node #10438, iLink sysop link node #14746


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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-04 21:59         ` jeff
@ 2002-10-05  2:50           ` Nate Bargmann
  2002-10-07 16:51             ` Curt Mills, WE7U
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Nate Bargmann @ 2002-10-05  2:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-hams

* jeff <wd4nmq@earthlink.net> [2002 Oct 04 20:56 -0500]:
> Actually there are hams that use Linux.

Perhaps I was a bit too sour.  I didn't intend to imply that no hams use
Linux, I intended to convey that I hoped by the end of 2002 the count
would be somewhere around 30 to 40%.  Maybe I run in the wrong crowd as
my guestimate is the percentage of those using Linux as their primary
hamshack platform to be less than 5%.  Nothing scientific, just a seat
of the pants guess based on the hams in my area.

> I have written a couple of radio 
> control programs for Kenwoods that run under Linux. One is exclusive 
> Linux and the other is written in Tcl/Tk that runs under Linux, Windows, 
> Mac or any system that there is a Tcl/Tk package for, and there are a 
> couple of dozen systems supported.

Excellent!  I hope that I didn't come across blaming the Linux ham coders 
for what I perceive to be a problem.  Instead I'm blaming the hams that 
*won't* even give Linux a try even on a second hard drive for whatever 
reason.  I'm blaming the hams that develop some cool piece of 
hardware/software that can only be used with Doze, although I think 
this situation is improving.

> I also wrote a APRS app under Tcl/Tk that runs under Linux/Windows that 
> uses the online Tiger mapping service to draw the map and place APRS 
> stations on.

Say this sounds neat, have I missed it?  What's it called? URL?

> I also am putting the finishing touches on a Linux echolink/ilnk app 
> called echoLinux. It is alpha right now.

I take it echolink is similar in concept to IRLP?

> So there are hams who use Linux.

No doubt.  Just not in large enough numbers to suit me.  I'm waiting for
the day when Linux apps are the dominant demonstrations at the booths at
Dayton.  It's coming, I'm just impatient!

In the mean time I shall continue to advocate what I believe are the
advantages to running a Linux system.  I shall continue to try to
convince those that have just spent 3 days or more cleaning up after the
latest virus that I've had no such issues in the past 4 and 1/2 years.
In the same vein I shall continue to appeal the average ham's sense of
frugality by emphasizing that a Linux system isn't as resource intensive
as later MS-ware thus shortening the upgrade cycle of the hamshack
computer.  When someone decides to take the plunge I'll do my best to
help.

BTW, thanks for your efforts and the source code.

73, de Nate >>

-- 
 Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB          | "We have awakened a
 Internet | n0nb@networksplus.net               | sleeping giant and
 Location | Bremen, Kansas USA EM19ov           | have instilled in him
  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | a terrible resolve".
             http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/           | - Admiral Yamomoto

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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-05  2:50           ` Nate Bargmann
@ 2002-10-07 16:51             ` Curt Mills, WE7U
  2002-10-07 21:41               ` Chuck Gelm
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Curt Mills, WE7U @ 2002-10-07 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nate Bargmann; +Cc: linux-hams

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> Excellent!  I hope that I didn't come across blaming the Linux ham coders
> for what I perceive to be a problem.  Instead I'm blaming the hams that
> *won't* even give Linux a try even on a second hard drive for whatever
> reason.  I'm blaming the hams that develop some cool piece of
> hardware/software that can only be used with Doze, although I think
> this situation is improving.
>
> > I also wrote a APRS app under Tcl/Tk that runs under Linux/Windows that
> > uses the online Tiger mapping service to draw the map and place APRS
> > stations on.
>
> Say this sounds neat, have I missed it?  What's it called? URL?

There's another APRS app that runs on Solaris, FreeBSD, Linux,
Lindows, and Mac OSX, but so far _not_ on Windows.  Well, not easily
anyway.  One user has it running under Cygwin on Windows, but I
haven't tried that yet.  Might be due to the severe lack of Windows
boxes at home and at the office.  hi hi

There have been over 3000 downloads of it so far this year, so
somebody must be using it!

The specs are such that it blows away windows APRS apps in terms of
types of maps supported, type of interfaces and number of concurrent
interfaces supported, runtimes, and probably a few more features.

The Tigermap service is one that it can use also, as well as
Terraserver images, USGS topo maps (DRG's), Tiger data (converted to
Shapefiles) on your local disk, radar maps, win/dos aprs maps,
pocketAPRS maps, you name it.  115 map formats are currently
supported.

        http://www.xastir.org

-- 
Curt Mills, WE7U                    hacker_NO_SPAM_@tc.fluke.com
Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin
"Lotto:    A tax on people who are bad at math!"
"Windows:  Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates!" -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me:  I picked the coordinate system!"


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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-07 16:51             ` Curt Mills, WE7U
@ 2002-10-07 21:41               ` Chuck Gelm
  2002-10-08  1:57                 ` Nate Bargmann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Chuck Gelm @ 2002-10-07 21:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Curt Mills, WE7U; +Cc: Nate Bargmann, linux-hams

Thanks.

 I wish software developers and web sites would post or link to
a 'linux software map' or 'system requirements' on the first page.
:-|

 I am assuming that any software package whose name starts with an
"x" or "X" requires a GUI, specifically Xwindows.

 Some applications have required a specific
GUI, but it is not mentioned early on. :-|

Chuck

<snip>
>         http://www.xastir.org
<snip>

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* Re: AO-40 Transponder Operation
  2002-10-07 21:41               ` Chuck Gelm
@ 2002-10-08  1:57                 ` Nate Bargmann
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Nate Bargmann @ 2002-10-08  1:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-hams

* Chuck Gelm <nc8q@gelm.net> [2002 Oct 07 19:33 -0500]:
> Thanks.
> 
>  I wish software developers and web sites would post or link to
> a 'linux software map' or 'system requirements' on the first page.
> :-|

The official Linux radio apps site and replacement for the HAM-HOWTO is:

http://radio.linux.org.au

I think you'll find most things there, although there is the odd app that
isn't listed there, they are few.  Sometimes a Google search will reveal
a new or obscure app and at times http://freshmeat.net will have gems as
well.

>  I am assuming that any software package whose name starts with an
> "x" or "X" requires a GUI, specifically Xwindows.

As a rule that works.  XMLog is a notable exception.  Some older X + 
Motif apps used the xm prefix so a Windows app borrowing it seems odd.
I'm sure there's a good reason for the name.

>  Some applications have required a specific
> GUI, but it is not mentioned early on. :-|

In general, Linux GUI apps that start with an X will work with any
window manager/desktop.  A lot of KDE apps start with a K and likewise
with GNOME apps starting with a G.  Fortunately, KDE and GNOME apps can
mostly be run outside of their environments as long as the library
dependencies are met.  As an example, I use PAN a GNOME newsreader, but
am not running GNOME or KDE.  A distribution that does a good job of
managing dependecies with make those "desktop" based apps nearly
transparent.

73, de Nate >> 

-- 
 Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB          | "We have awakened a
 Internet | n0nb@networksplus.net               | sleeping giant and
 Location | Bremen, Kansas USA EM19ov           | have instilled in him
  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | a terrible resolve".
             http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/           | - Admiral Yamomoto

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2002-10-04  7:28     ` Jean-Paul ROUBELAT
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2002-10-04 12:16     ` AO-40 Transponder Operation Margaret Leber
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2002-10-04 17:55       ` Nate Bargmann
2002-10-04 21:59         ` jeff
2002-10-05  2:50           ` Nate Bargmann
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