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From: David Mosberger <davidm@napali.hpl.hp.com>
To: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] prevent "dd if=/dev/mem" crash
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:21:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <marc-linux-ia64-106643648820886@msgid-missing> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <marc-linux-ia64-106642876514553@msgid-missing>

>>>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:55:43 -0700, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> said:

  >> If we really believe copy_*_user() must correctly handle *all* faults,
  >> isn't the "p >= __pa(high_memory)" test superfluous?

  Andrew> This code was conceived before my time and I don't recall seeing much
  Andrew> discussion, so this is all guesswork..

  Andrew> I'd say that the high_memory test _is_ superfluous and that
  Andrew> if anyone cared, we would remove it and establish a
  Andrew> temporary pte against the address if it was outside the
  Andrew> direct-mapped area.  But nobody cares enough to have done
  Andrew> anything about it.

What about memory-mapped device registers?  Isn't all memory
physically contiguous on x86 and that's why the "p >__pa(high_memory)" test saves you from that?

  >> On ia64, a read to non-existent physical memory causes the processor
  >> to time out and take a machine check.  I'm not sure it's even possible
  >> to recover from that.

  Andrew> ick.  That would be very poor form.

Reasonable people can disagree on that.  One philosophy states that if
your kernel touches random addresses, it's better to signal a visible
error (machine-check) than to risk silent data corruption.

	--david

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-18  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-17 22:10 [RFC] prevent "dd if=/dev/mem" crash Bjorn Helgaas
2003-10-17 22:19 ` Luck, Tony
2003-10-17 22:23 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-17 22:40 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-10-17 22:50 ` Andrew Morton
2003-10-17 23:25 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2003-10-17 23:55 ` Andrew Morton
2003-10-18  0:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-18  0:21 ` David Mosberger [this message]
2003-10-18  0:49 ` Andrew Morton
2003-10-18  1:31 ` Matt Chapman
2003-10-18  1:41 ` Andrew Morton
2003-10-18  1:48 ` David Mosberger
2003-10-18  2:01 ` Andrew Morton
2003-10-18  2:01 ` Matt Chapman
2003-10-19 11:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-10-19 18:17 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-19 19:01 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-20 15:17 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2003-10-20 17:42 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2003-10-20 18:48 ` David Mosberger
2003-10-23  8:33 ` Martin Pool
2003-10-23  9:31 ` Zoltan Menyhart
2003-10-23 21:05 ` Bjorn Helgaas

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