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From: Dave.Martin at arm.com (Dave Martin)
Subject: [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:49:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190522134925.GV28398@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190521184856.GC2922@ziepe.ca>

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 03:48:56PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 03:49:31PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> 
> > The tagged pointers (whether hwasan or MTE) should ideally be a
> > transparent feature for the application writer but I don't think we can
> > solve it entirely and make it seamless for the multitude of ioctls().
> > I'd say you only opt in to such feature if you know what you are doing
> > and the user code takes care of specific cases like ioctl(), hence the
> > prctl() proposal even for the hwasan.
> 
> I'm not sure such a dire view is warrented.. 
> 
> The ioctl situation is not so bad, other than a few special cases,
> most drivers just take a 'void __user *' and pass it as an argument to
> some function that accepts a 'void __user *'. sparse et al verify
> this. 
> 
> As long as the core functions do the right thing the drivers will be
> OK.
> 
> The only place things get dicy is if someone casts to unsigned long
> (ie for vma work) but I think that reflects that our driver facing
> APIs for VMAs are compatible with static analysis (ie I have no
> earthly idea why get_user_pages() accepts an unsigned long), not that
> this is too hard.

If multiple people will care about this, perhaps we should try to
annotate types more explicitly in SYSCALL_DEFINEx() and ABI data
structures.

For example, we could have a couple of mutually exclusive modifiers

T __object *
T __vaddr * (or U __vaddr)

In the first case the pointer points to an object (in the C sense)
that the call may dereference but not use for any other purpose.

In the latter case the pointer (or other type) is a virtual address
that the call does not dereference but my do other things with.

Also

U __really(T)

to tell static analysers the real type of pointers smuggled through
UAPI disguised as other types (*cough* KVM, etc.)

We could gradually make sparse more strict about the presence of
annotations and allowed conversions, add get/put_user() variants
that demand explicit annotation, etc.

find_vma() wouldn't work with a __object pointer, for example.  A
get_user_pages_for_dereference() might be needed for __object pointers
(embodying a promise from the caller that only the object will be
dereferenced within the mapped pages).

Thoughts?

This kind of thing would need widespread buy-in in order to be viable.

Cheers
---Dave

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From: Dave.Martin@arm.com (Dave Martin)
Subject: [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:49:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190522134925.GV28398@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190522134928.cHP8spWr-9mYHyWHe4irsMMNnWwMNRsqFCDQXNvDYw4@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190521184856.GC2922@ziepe.ca>

On Tue, May 21, 2019@03:48:56PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, May 17, 2019@03:49:31PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> 
> > The tagged pointers (whether hwasan or MTE) should ideally be a
> > transparent feature for the application writer but I don't think we can
> > solve it entirely and make it seamless for the multitude of ioctls().
> > I'd say you only opt in to such feature if you know what you are doing
> > and the user code takes care of specific cases like ioctl(), hence the
> > prctl() proposal even for the hwasan.
> 
> I'm not sure such a dire view is warrented.. 
> 
> The ioctl situation is not so bad, other than a few special cases,
> most drivers just take a 'void __user *' and pass it as an argument to
> some function that accepts a 'void __user *'. sparse et al verify
> this. 
> 
> As long as the core functions do the right thing the drivers will be
> OK.
> 
> The only place things get dicy is if someone casts to unsigned long
> (ie for vma work) but I think that reflects that our driver facing
> APIs for VMAs are compatible with static analysis (ie I have no
> earthly idea why get_user_pages() accepts an unsigned long), not that
> this is too hard.

If multiple people will care about this, perhaps we should try to
annotate types more explicitly in SYSCALL_DEFINEx() and ABI data
structures.

For example, we could have a couple of mutually exclusive modifiers

T __object *
T __vaddr * (or U __vaddr)

In the first case the pointer points to an object (in the C sense)
that the call may dereference but not use for any other purpose.

In the latter case the pointer (or other type) is a virtual address
that the call does not dereference but my do other things with.

Also

U __really(T)

to tell static analysers the real type of pointers smuggled through
UAPI disguised as other types (*cough* KVM, etc.)

We could gradually make sparse more strict about the presence of
annotations and allowed conversions, add get/put_user() variants
that demand explicit annotation, etc.

find_vma() wouldn't work with a __object pointer, for example.  A
get_user_pages_for_dereference() might be needed for __object pointers
(embodying a promise from the caller that only the object will be
dereferenced within the mapped pages).

Thoughts?

This kind of thing would need widespread buy-in in order to be viable.

Cheers
---Dave

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-05-22 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-06 16:30 [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 01/17] uaccess: add untagged_addr definition for other arches andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-29 14:49   ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-29 14:49     ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 02/17] arm64: untag user pointers in access_ok and __uaccess_mask_ptr andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 03/17] lib, arm64: untag user pointers in strn*_user andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 10:41   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 10:41     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 04/17] mm: add ksys_ wrappers to memory syscalls andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 10:56   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 10:56     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 05/17] arms64: untag user pointers passed " andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:49   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 11:49     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 21:16     ` eugenis
2019-05-22 21:16       ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-23  9:04       ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23  9:04         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24  4:23         ` eugenis
2019-05-24  4:23           ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-24 15:41   ` andrew.murray
2019-05-24 15:41     ` Andrew Murray
2019-05-25  9:57   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-25  9:57     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-27  9:42   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-27  9:42     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-27 14:37   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-27 14:37     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 14:54     ` andrew.murray
2019-05-28 14:54       ` Andrew Murray
2019-05-28 15:40       ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-28 15:40         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 15:56         ` Dave.Martin
2019-05-28 15:56           ` Dave Martin
2019-05-28 16:34           ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-28 16:34             ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 12:42             ` Dave.Martin
2019-05-29 12:42               ` Dave Martin
2019-05-29 13:23               ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-29 13:23                 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 15:18                 ` Dave.Martin
2019-05-29 15:18                   ` Dave Martin
2019-05-28 23:33         ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-28 23:33           ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-29 14:20           ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-29 14:20             ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 19:16             ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-29 19:16               ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-30 15:11               ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-30 15:11                 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-30 16:05                 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-30 16:05                   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-30 16:57                   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-30 16:57                     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 13:05   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-28 13:05     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 06/17] mm: untag user pointers in do_pages_move andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:51   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 11:51     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 07/17] mm, arm64: untag user pointers in mm/gup.c andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:56   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 11:56     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 08/17] mm, arm64: untag user pointers in get_vaddr_frames andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 09/17] fs, arm64: untag user pointers in copy_mount_options andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 12:09   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 12:09     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 10/17] fs, arm64: untag user pointers in fs/userfaultfd.c andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 11/17] drm/amdgpu, arm64: untag user pointers andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-07 16:43   ` Felix.Kuehling
2019-05-07 16:43     ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 12/17] drm/radeon, arm64: untag user pointers in radeon_gem_userptr_ioctl andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-07 16:44   ` Felix.Kuehling
2019-05-07 16:44     ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 13/17] IB, arm64: untag user pointers in ib_uverbs_(re)reg_mr() andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 19:50   ` jgg
2019-05-06 19:50     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-07  6:33     ` leon
2019-05-07  6:33       ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 14/17] media/v4l2-core, arm64: untag user pointers in videobuf_dma_contig_user_get andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:31   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-24 13:13   ` mchehab+samsung
2019-05-24 13:13     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 15/17] tee, arm64: untag user pointers in tee_shm_register andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:31   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 16/17] vfio/type1, arm64: untag user pointers in vaddr_get_pfn andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:31   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 17/17] selftests, arm64: add a selftest for passing tagged pointers to kernel andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:31   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 14:16   ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 14:16     ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 14:21     ` andreyknvl
2019-05-31 14:21       ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:22       ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-31 16:22         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-17 14:49 ` [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel catalin.marinas
2019-05-17 14:49   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-20 23:53   ` eugenis
2019-05-20 23:53     ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-21 18:29     ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-21 18:29       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22  0:04       ` keescook
2019-05-22  0:04         ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 10:11         ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 10:11           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 15:30           ` enh
2019-05-22 15:30             ` enh
2019-05-22 16:35             ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 16:35               ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 16:58               ` enh
2019-05-22 16:58                 ` enh
2019-05-23 15:21                 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 15:21                   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 20:47               ` keescook
2019-05-22 20:47                 ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 23:03                 ` eugenis
2019-05-22 23:03                   ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-22 23:09                   ` enh
2019-05-22 23:09                     ` enh
2019-05-23  7:34                     ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23  7:34                       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 14:44                 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 14:44                   ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 15:44                   ` enh
2019-05-23 15:44                     ` enh
2019-05-23 17:00                     ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 17:00                       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 16:38                   ` keescook
2019-05-23 16:38                     ` Kees Cook
2019-05-23 17:43                     ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 17:43                       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 21:31                       ` keescook
2019-05-23 21:31                         ` Kees Cook
2019-05-24 11:20                         ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-24 11:20                           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 17:02                         ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-28 17:02                           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-06-02  5:06                           ` keescook
2019-06-02  5:06                             ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 19:21             ` keescook
2019-05-22 19:21               ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 20:15               ` enh
2019-05-22 20:15                 ` enh
2019-05-23 15:08               ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 15:08                 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 17:51         ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-23 17:51           ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-23 20:11           ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 20:11             ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 21:42             ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-23 21:42               ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-23 21:49             ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-23 21:49               ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-24 10:11               ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-24 10:11                 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24 14:25                 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-24 14:25                   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-28 14:14                   ` andreyknvl
2019-05-28 14:14                     ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-29  6:11                     ` hch
2019-05-29  6:11                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-29 12:12                       ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-29 12:12                         ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-30 17:15                     ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-30 17:15                       ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 14:29                       ` andreyknvl
2019-05-31 14:29                         ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:19                         ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-31 16:19                           ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 16:24                           ` andreyknvl
2019-05-31 16:24                             ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:46                             ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-31 16:46                               ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-21 18:48   ` jgg
2019-05-21 18:48     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-22 13:49     ` Dave.Martin [this message]
2019-05-22 13:49       ` Dave Martin
2019-05-23  0:20       ` jgg
2019-05-23  0:20         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-23 10:42         ` Dave.Martin
2019-05-23 10:42           ` Dave Martin
2019-05-23 16:57           ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 16:57             ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24 14:23             ` Dave.Martin
2019-05-24 14:23               ` Dave Martin

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