From: Dave.Martin at arm.com (Dave Martin)
Subject: [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:49:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190522134925.GV28398@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190521184856.GC2922@ziepe.ca>
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 03:48:56PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 03:49:31PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>
> > The tagged pointers (whether hwasan or MTE) should ideally be a
> > transparent feature for the application writer but I don't think we can
> > solve it entirely and make it seamless for the multitude of ioctls().
> > I'd say you only opt in to such feature if you know what you are doing
> > and the user code takes care of specific cases like ioctl(), hence the
> > prctl() proposal even for the hwasan.
>
> I'm not sure such a dire view is warrented..
>
> The ioctl situation is not so bad, other than a few special cases,
> most drivers just take a 'void __user *' and pass it as an argument to
> some function that accepts a 'void __user *'. sparse et al verify
> this.
>
> As long as the core functions do the right thing the drivers will be
> OK.
>
> The only place things get dicy is if someone casts to unsigned long
> (ie for vma work) but I think that reflects that our driver facing
> APIs for VMAs are compatible with static analysis (ie I have no
> earthly idea why get_user_pages() accepts an unsigned long), not that
> this is too hard.
If multiple people will care about this, perhaps we should try to
annotate types more explicitly in SYSCALL_DEFINEx() and ABI data
structures.
For example, we could have a couple of mutually exclusive modifiers
T __object *
T __vaddr * (or U __vaddr)
In the first case the pointer points to an object (in the C sense)
that the call may dereference but not use for any other purpose.
In the latter case the pointer (or other type) is a virtual address
that the call does not dereference but my do other things with.
Also
U __really(T)
to tell static analysers the real type of pointers smuggled through
UAPI disguised as other types (*cough* KVM, etc.)
We could gradually make sparse more strict about the presence of
annotations and allowed conversions, add get/put_user() variants
that demand explicit annotation, etc.
find_vma() wouldn't work with a __object pointer, for example. A
get_user_pages_for_dereference() might be needed for __object pointers
(embodying a promise from the caller that only the object will be
dereferenced within the mapped pages).
Thoughts?
This kind of thing would need widespread buy-in in order to be viable.
Cheers
---Dave
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From: Dave.Martin@arm.com (Dave Martin)
Subject: [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:49:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190522134925.GV28398@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190522134928.cHP8spWr-9mYHyWHe4irsMMNnWwMNRsqFCDQXNvDYw4@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190521184856.GC2922@ziepe.ca>
On Tue, May 21, 2019@03:48:56PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, May 17, 2019@03:49:31PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>
> > The tagged pointers (whether hwasan or MTE) should ideally be a
> > transparent feature for the application writer but I don't think we can
> > solve it entirely and make it seamless for the multitude of ioctls().
> > I'd say you only opt in to such feature if you know what you are doing
> > and the user code takes care of specific cases like ioctl(), hence the
> > prctl() proposal even for the hwasan.
>
> I'm not sure such a dire view is warrented..
>
> The ioctl situation is not so bad, other than a few special cases,
> most drivers just take a 'void __user *' and pass it as an argument to
> some function that accepts a 'void __user *'. sparse et al verify
> this.
>
> As long as the core functions do the right thing the drivers will be
> OK.
>
> The only place things get dicy is if someone casts to unsigned long
> (ie for vma work) but I think that reflects that our driver facing
> APIs for VMAs are compatible with static analysis (ie I have no
> earthly idea why get_user_pages() accepts an unsigned long), not that
> this is too hard.
If multiple people will care about this, perhaps we should try to
annotate types more explicitly in SYSCALL_DEFINEx() and ABI data
structures.
For example, we could have a couple of mutually exclusive modifiers
T __object *
T __vaddr * (or U __vaddr)
In the first case the pointer points to an object (in the C sense)
that the call may dereference but not use for any other purpose.
In the latter case the pointer (or other type) is a virtual address
that the call does not dereference but my do other things with.
Also
U __really(T)
to tell static analysers the real type of pointers smuggled through
UAPI disguised as other types (*cough* KVM, etc.)
We could gradually make sparse more strict about the presence of
annotations and allowed conversions, add get/put_user() variants
that demand explicit annotation, etc.
find_vma() wouldn't work with a __object pointer, for example. A
get_user_pages_for_dereference() might be needed for __object pointers
(embodying a promise from the caller that only the object will be
dereferenced within the mapped pages).
Thoughts?
This kind of thing would need widespread buy-in in order to be viable.
Cheers
---Dave
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2019-05-06 16:30 [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 01/17] uaccess: add untagged_addr definition for other arches andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-29 14:49 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-29 14:49 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 02/17] arm64: untag user pointers in access_ok and __uaccess_mask_ptr andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 03/17] lib, arm64: untag user pointers in strn*_user andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 10:41 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 10:41 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 04/17] mm: add ksys_ wrappers to memory syscalls andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 10:56 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 10:56 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 05/17] arms64: untag user pointers passed " andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:49 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 11:49 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 21:16 ` eugenis
2019-05-22 21:16 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-23 9:04 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 9:04 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24 4:23 ` eugenis
2019-05-24 4:23 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-24 15:41 ` andrew.murray
2019-05-24 15:41 ` Andrew Murray
2019-05-25 9:57 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-25 9:57 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-27 9:42 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-27 9:42 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-27 14:37 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-27 14:37 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 14:54 ` andrew.murray
2019-05-28 14:54 ` Andrew Murray
2019-05-28 15:40 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-28 15:40 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 15:56 ` Dave.Martin
2019-05-28 15:56 ` Dave Martin
2019-05-28 16:34 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-28 16:34 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 12:42 ` Dave.Martin
2019-05-29 12:42 ` Dave Martin
2019-05-29 13:23 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-29 13:23 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 15:18 ` Dave.Martin
2019-05-29 15:18 ` Dave Martin
2019-05-28 23:33 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-28 23:33 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-29 14:20 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-29 14:20 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-29 19:16 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-29 19:16 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-30 15:11 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-30 15:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-30 16:05 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-30 16:05 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-30 16:57 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-30 16:57 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 13:05 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-28 13:05 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 06/17] mm: untag user pointers in do_pages_move andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:51 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 11:51 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 07/17] mm, arm64: untag user pointers in mm/gup.c andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 11:56 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 11:56 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 08/17] mm, arm64: untag user pointers in get_vaddr_frames andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 09/17] fs, arm64: untag user pointers in copy_mount_options andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 12:09 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 12:09 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 10/17] fs, arm64: untag user pointers in fs/userfaultfd.c andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 11/17] drm/amdgpu, arm64: untag user pointers andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-07 16:43 ` Felix.Kuehling
2019-05-07 16:43 ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 12/17] drm/radeon, arm64: untag user pointers in radeon_gem_userptr_ioctl andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-07 16:44 ` Felix.Kuehling
2019-05-07 16:44 ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-05-06 16:30 ` [PATCH v15 13/17] IB, arm64: untag user pointers in ib_uverbs_(re)reg_mr() andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:30 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 19:50 ` jgg
2019-05-06 19:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-05-07 6:33 ` leon
2019-05-07 6:33 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 14/17] media/v4l2-core, arm64: untag user pointers in videobuf_dma_contig_user_get andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:31 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-24 13:13 ` mchehab+samsung
2019-05-24 13:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 15/17] tee, arm64: untag user pointers in tee_shm_register andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:31 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 16/17] vfio/type1, arm64: untag user pointers in vaddr_get_pfn andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:31 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-06 16:31 ` [PATCH v15 17/17] selftests, arm64: add a selftest for passing tagged pointers to kernel andreyknvl
2019-05-06 16:31 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-22 14:16 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 14:16 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 14:21 ` andreyknvl
2019-05-31 14:21 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-31 16:22 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-31 16:22 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-17 14:49 ` [PATCH v15 00/17] arm64: untag user pointers passed to the kernel catalin.marinas
2019-05-17 14:49 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-20 23:53 ` eugenis
2019-05-20 23:53 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-21 18:29 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-21 18:29 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 0:04 ` keescook
2019-05-22 0:04 ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 10:11 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 10:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 15:30 ` enh
2019-05-22 15:30 ` enh
2019-05-22 16:35 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-22 16:35 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 16:58 ` enh
2019-05-22 16:58 ` enh
2019-05-23 15:21 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 15:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-22 20:47 ` keescook
2019-05-22 20:47 ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 23:03 ` eugenis
2019-05-22 23:03 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2019-05-22 23:09 ` enh
2019-05-22 23:09 ` enh
2019-05-23 7:34 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 7:34 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 14:44 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 14:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 15:44 ` enh
2019-05-23 15:44 ` enh
2019-05-23 17:00 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 17:00 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 16:38 ` keescook
2019-05-23 16:38 ` Kees Cook
2019-05-23 17:43 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 17:43 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 21:31 ` keescook
2019-05-23 21:31 ` Kees Cook
2019-05-24 11:20 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-24 11:20 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-28 17:02 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-28 17:02 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-06-02 5:06 ` keescook
2019-06-02 5:06 ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 19:21 ` keescook
2019-05-22 19:21 ` Kees Cook
2019-05-22 20:15 ` enh
2019-05-22 20:15 ` enh
2019-05-23 15:08 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 15:08 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 17:51 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-23 17:51 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-23 20:11 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-23 20:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-23 21:42 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-23 21:42 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-23 21:49 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-23 21:49 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-24 10:11 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-24 10:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-24 14:25 ` khalid.aziz
2019-05-24 14:25 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-28 14:14 ` andreyknvl
2019-05-28 14:14 ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-05-29 6:11 ` hch
2019-05-29 6:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-29 12:12 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-29 12:12 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-30 17:15 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-30 17:15 ` Catalin Marinas
2019-05-31 14:29 ` andreyknvl
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2019-05-31 16:19 ` catalin.marinas
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2019-05-31 16:46 ` catalin.marinas
2019-05-31 16:46 ` Catalin Marinas
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