From: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
To: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, "Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
"Shaopeng Tan" <tan.shaopeng@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"Maciej Wieczór-Retman" <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>,
"Fenghua Yu" <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 24/24] selftests/resctrl: Ignore failures from L2 CAT test with <= 2 bits
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 15:53:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <721c6735-dab9-49c7-bdb2-b34388144e21@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6426a6be-5e92-6c5d-7025-6308c1f3c24@linux.intel.com>
Hi Ilpo,
On 11/3/2023 3:24 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>> On 10/24/2023 2:26 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
>>> L2 CAT test with low number of bits tends to occasionally fail because
>>> of what seems random variation. The margin is quite small to begin with
>>> for <= 2 bits in CBM. At times, the result can even become negative.
>>> While it would be possible to allow negative values for those cases, it
>>> would be more confusing to user.
>>>
>>> Ignore failures from the tests where <= 2 were used to avoid false
>>> negative results.
>>>
>>
>> I think the core message is that 2 or fewer bits should not be used. Instead
>> of running the test and ignoring the results the test should perhaps just not
>> be run.
>
> I considered that but it often does work so it felt shame to now present
> them when they're successful. Then I just had to decide how to deal with
> the cases where they failed.
>
> Also, if I make it to not run down to 1 bit, those numbers will never ever
> be seen by anyone. It doesn't say 2 and 1 bit results don't contain any
> information to a human reader who is able to do more informed decisions
> whether something is truly working or not. We could, hypothetically, have
> a HW issue one day which makes 1-bit L2 mask to misbehave and if the
> number is never seen by anyone, it's extremely unlikely to be caught
> easily.
>
> They are just reliable enough for simple automated threshold currently.
> Maybe something else than average value would be, it would need to be
> explored but I suspect also the memory address of the buffer might affect
> the value, with L3 it definitely should because of how the things work but
> I don't know if that holds for L2 too. I have earlier tried playing with
> the buffer addresses with L3 but as I didn't immediately yield positive
> outcome to guard against outliers, I postponed that investigation (e.g.,
> my alloc pattern might have been too straightforward and didn't provide
> enough entropy into the buffer start address because I just alloc'ed n x
> buf_size buffers back-to-back).
>
> But I don't have very strong opinion on this so if you prefer I just stop
> at 3 bits, I can change it?
>
We seem to have different users in mind when thinking about this. I was
considering the users that just run the selftest to get a pass/fail. You
seem to also consider folks using this for validation. I'm ok with keeping
this change to accommodate both.
Reinette
prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-03 22:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-24 9:26 [PATCH 00/24] selftests/resctrl: CAT test improvements & generalized test framework Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 01/24] selftests/resctrl: Split fill_buf to allow tests finer-grained control Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:24 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:46 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 02/24] selftests/resctrl: Refactor fill_buf functions Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:32 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-27 11:41 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 03/24] selftests/resctrl: Refactor get_cbm_mask() Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:39 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:47 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 12:09 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 04/24] selftests/resctrl: Mark get_cache_size() cache_type const Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 05/24] selftests/resctrl: Create cache_size() helper Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:47 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 8:53 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:49 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 06/24] selftests/resctrl: Exclude shareable bits from schemata in CAT test Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 07/24] selftests/resctrl: Split measure_cache_vals() function Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 08/24] selftests/resctrl: Split show_cache_info() to test specific and generic parts Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 09/24] selftests/resctrl: Remove unnecessary __u64 -> unsigned long conversion Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 9:19 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 10/24] selftests/resctrl: Remove nested calls in perf event handling Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:49 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 9:45 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 11/24] selftests/resctrl: Consolidate naming of perf event related things Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 12/24] selftests/resctrl: Improve perf init Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:45 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 13/24] selftests/resctrl: Convert perf related globals to locals Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:47 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 14/24] selftests/resctrl: Move cat_val() to cat_test.c and rename to cat_test() Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:51 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-27 12:18 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 15/24] selftests/resctrl: Read in less obvious order to defeat prefetch optimizations Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 16/24] selftests/resctrl: Rewrite Cache Allocation Technology (CAT) test Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 12:05 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
[not found] ` <fb5e1a50-ba7-1ee8-8bf2-bb8b64b27b1@linux.intel.com>
2023-10-31 7:24 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:51 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 10:57 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:50 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 17/24] selftests/resctrl: Create struct for input parameter Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 12:07 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:51 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 11:24 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:50 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-06 9:06 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 18/24] selftests/resctrl: Introduce generalized test framework Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:52 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 9:54 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:50 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 19/24] selftests/resctrl: Pass write_schemata() resource instead of test name Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 20/24] selftests/resctrl: Add helper to convert L2/3 to integer Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 12:09 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 21/24] selftests/resctrl: Get resource id from cache id Ilpo Järvinen
[not found] ` <cb2ctfignowlom7lb2t5zhdgtm4s2jlzlvtumlnvxecwwtjk34@ysgepmgkv6bb>
[not found] ` <ab4c6aa5-ea49-363a-ff7b-2215665f185d@linux.intel.com>
2023-10-31 7:58 ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 22/24] selftests/resctrl: Add test groups and name L3 CAT test L3_CAT Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 23/24] selftests/resctrl: Add L2 CAT test Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:57 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 10:39 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:53 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-06 9:53 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-06 17:03 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-06 21:22 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-07 9:33 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-08 16:31 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24 9:26 ` [PATCH 24/24] selftests/resctrl: Ignore failures from L2 CAT test with <= 2 bits Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:57 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 10:24 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:53 ` Reinette Chatre [this message]
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