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From: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
To: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, "Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Shaopeng Tan" <tan.shaopeng@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"Maciej Wieczór-Retman" <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>,
	"Fenghua Yu" <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 23/24] selftests/resctrl: Add L2 CAT test
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 09:03:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <755ed028-f73a-47ed-a58a-65f4f48eaee3@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4008929-d12b-793e-dce8-eb5ba03b4ebb@linux.intel.com>

Hi Ilpo,

On 11/6/2023 1:53 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>> On 11/3/2023 3:39 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>>>> On 10/24/2023 2:26 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Add L2 CAT selftest. As measuring L2 misses is not easily available
>>>>> with perf, use L3 accesses as a proxy for L2 CAT working or not.
>>>>
>>>> I understand the exact measurement is not available but I do notice some
>>>> L2 related symbolic counters when I run "perf list". l2_rqsts.all_demand_miss
>>>> looks promising.
>>>
>>> Okay, I was under impression that L2 misses are not available. Both based 
>>> on what you mentioned to me half an year ago and because of what flags I 
>>> found from the header. But I'll take another look into it.
>>
>> You are correct that when I did L2 testing a long time ago I used
>> the model specific L2 miss counts. I was hoping that things have improved
>> so that model specific counters are not needed, as you have tried here.
>> I found the l2_rqsts symbol while looking for alternatives but I am not
>> familiar enough with perf to know how these symbolic names are mapped.
>> I was hoping that they could be a simple drop-in replacement to
>> experiment with.
> 
> According to perf_event_open() manpage, mapping those symbolic names 
> requires libpfm so this would add a library dependency?

I do not see perf list using this library to determine the event and
umask but I am in unfamiliar territory. I'll have to spend some more
time here to determine options.

> 
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>  tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c    | 68 +++++++++++++++++--
>>>>>  tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/resctrl.h     |  1 +
>>>>>  .../testing/selftests/resctrl/resctrl_tests.c |  1 +
>>>>>  3 files changed, 63 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c b/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c
>>>>> index 48a96acd9e31..a9c72022bb5a 100644
>>>>> --- a/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c
>>>>> +++ b/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/cat_test.c
>>>>> @@ -131,8 +131,47 @@ void cat_test_cleanup(void)
>>>>>  	remove(RESULT_FILE_NAME);
>>>>>  }
>>>>>  
>>>>> +/*
>>>>> + * L2 CAT test measures L2 misses indirectly using L3 accesses as a proxy
>>>>> + * because perf cannot directly provide the number of L2 misses (there are
>>>>> + * only platform specific ways to get the number of L2 misses).
>>>>> + *
>>>>> + * This function sets up L3 CAT to reduce noise from other processes during
>>>>> + * L2 CAT test.
>>>>
>>>> This motivation is not clear to me. Does the same isolation used during 
>>>> L3 CAT testing not work? I expected it to follow the same idea with the 
>>>> L2 cache split in two, the test using one part and the rest of the 
>>>> system using the other. Is that not enough isolation?
>>>
>>> Isolation for L2 is done very same way as with L3 and I think it itself 
>>> works just fine.
>>>
>>> However, because L2 CAT selftest as is measures L3 accesses that in ideal 
>>> world equals to L2 misses, isolating selftest related L3 accesses from the 
>>> rest of the system should reduce noise in the # of L3 accesses. It's not 
>>> mandatory though so if L3 CAT is not available the function just prints a 
>>> warning about the potential noise and does setup nothing for L3.
>>
>> This is not clear to me. If the read misses L2 and then accesses L3 then
>> it should not matter which part of L3 cache the work is isolated to. 
>> What noise do you have in mind?
> 
> The way it is currently done is to measure L3 accesses. If something else 
> runs at the same time as the CAT selftest, it can do mem accesses that 
> cause L3 accesses which is noise in the # of L3 accesses number since 
> those accesses were unrelated to the L2 CAT selftest.
> 

Creating a CAT allocation sets aside a portion of cache where a task/cpu
can allocation into cache, it does not prevent one task from accessing
the cache concurrently with another.

Reinette


  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-06 17:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-24  9:26 [PATCH 00/24] selftests/resctrl: CAT test improvements & generalized test framework Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 01/24] selftests/resctrl: Split fill_buf to allow tests finer-grained control Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:24   ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:46   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 02/24] selftests/resctrl: Refactor fill_buf functions Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:32   ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-27 11:41     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 03/24] selftests/resctrl: Refactor get_cbm_mask() Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:39   ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:47   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 12:09     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 04/24] selftests/resctrl: Mark get_cache_size() cache_type const Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 05/24] selftests/resctrl: Create cache_size() helper Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:47   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03  8:53     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:49       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 06/24] selftests/resctrl: Exclude shareable bits from schemata in CAT test Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 07/24] selftests/resctrl: Split measure_cache_vals() function Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 08/24] selftests/resctrl: Split show_cache_info() to test specific and generic parts Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 09/24] selftests/resctrl: Remove unnecessary __u64 -> unsigned long conversion Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:48   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03  9:19     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 10/24] selftests/resctrl: Remove nested calls in perf event handling Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:49   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03  9:45     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 11/24] selftests/resctrl: Consolidate naming of perf event related things Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 12/24] selftests/resctrl: Improve perf init Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:45   ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 13/24] selftests/resctrl: Convert perf related globals to locals Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:47   ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 14/24] selftests/resctrl: Move cat_val() to cat_test.c and rename to cat_test() Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 11:51   ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-27 12:18     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 15/24] selftests/resctrl: Read in less obvious order to defeat prefetch optimizations Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 16/24] selftests/resctrl: Rewrite Cache Allocation Technology (CAT) test Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 12:05   ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
     [not found]     ` <fb5e1a50-ba7-1ee8-8bf2-bb8b64b27b1@linux.intel.com>
2023-10-31  7:24       ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:51   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 10:57     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:50       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 17/24] selftests/resctrl: Create struct for input parameter Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 12:07   ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-11-02 17:51   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 11:24     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:50       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-06  9:06         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 18/24] selftests/resctrl: Introduce generalized test framework Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:52   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03  9:54     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:50       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 19/24] selftests/resctrl: Pass write_schemata() resource instead of test name Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 20/24] selftests/resctrl: Add helper to convert L2/3 to integer Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-27 12:09   ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 21/24] selftests/resctrl: Get resource id from cache id Ilpo Järvinen
     [not found]   ` <cb2ctfignowlom7lb2t5zhdgtm4s2jlzlvtumlnvxecwwtjk34@ysgepmgkv6bb>
     [not found]     ` <ab4c6aa5-ea49-363a-ff7b-2215665f185d@linux.intel.com>
2023-10-31  7:58       ` Maciej Wieczór-Retman
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 22/24] selftests/resctrl: Add test groups and name L3 CAT test L3_CAT Ilpo Järvinen
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 23/24] selftests/resctrl: Add L2 CAT test Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:57   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 10:39     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:53       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-06  9:53         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-06 17:03           ` Reinette Chatre [this message]
2023-11-06 21:22             ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-07  9:33               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-08 16:31                 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-10-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 24/24] selftests/resctrl: Ignore failures from L2 CAT test with <= 2 bits Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-02 17:57   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 10:24     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-11-03 22:53       ` Reinette Chatre

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