From: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
To: Vipin Sharma <vipinsh@google.com>
Cc: bhelgaas@google.com, alex.williamson@redhat.com,
pasha.tatashin@soleen.com, dmatlack@google.com, jgg@ziepe.ca,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 15/21] PCI: Make PCI saved state and capability structs public
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 10:15:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aPSeF_QiUWnhKIma@wunner.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251018223620.GD1034710.vipinsh@google.com>
On Sat, Oct 18, 2025 at 03:36:20PM -0700, Vipin Sharma wrote:
> On 2025-10-18 09:17:33, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 05:07:07PM -0700, Vipin Sharma wrote:
> > > Move struct pci_saved_state{} and struct pci_cap_saved_data{} to
> > > linux/pci.h so that they are available to code outside of the PCI core.
> > >
> > > These structs will be used in subsequent commits to serialize and
> > > deserialize PCI state across Live Update.
> >
> > That's not sufficient as a justification to make these public in my view.
> >
> > There are already pci_store_saved_state() and pci_load_saved_state()
> > helpers to serialize PCI state. Why do you need anything more?
> > (Honest question.)
>
> In LUO ecosystem, currently, we do not have a solid solution to do
> proper serialization/deserialization of structs along with versioning
> between different kernel versions. This work is still being discussed.
>
> Here, I created separate structs (exactly same as the original one) to
> have little bit control on what gets saved in serialized state and
> correctly gets deserialized after kexec.
>
> For example, if I am using existing structs and not creating my own
> structs then I cannot just do a blind memcpy() between whole of the PCI state
> prior to kexec to PCI state after the kexec. In the new kernel
> layout might have changed like addition or removal of a field.
The last time we changed those structs was in 2013 by fd0f7f73ca96.
So changes are extremely rare.
What could change in theory is the layout of the individual
capabilities (the data[] in struct pci_cap_saved_data).
E.g. maybe we decide that we need to save an additional register.
But that's also rare. Normally we add all the mutable registers
when a new capability is supported and have no need to amend that
afterwards.
So I think you're preparing for an eventuality that's very unlikely
to happen. Question is whether that justifies the additional
complexity and duplication. (Probably not.)
Note that struct pci_cap_saved_state was made private in 2021 by
f0ab00174eb7. We try to prevent other subsystems or drivers fiddling
with structures internal to the PCI core. For LUO to find acceptance,
it needs to respect subsystems' desire to keep private what's private
and it needs to be as non-intrusive as possible. If necessary,
helpers needed by LUO (e.g. to determine the size of saved PCI state)
should probably live in the PCI core and be #ifdef'ed to LUO being enabled.
Thanks,
Lukas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-19 8:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-18 0:06 [RFC PATCH 00/21] VFIO live update support Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:06 ` [RFC PATCH 01/21] selftests/liveupdate: Build tests from the selftests/liveupdate directory Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:06 ` [RFC PATCH 02/21] selftests/liveupdate: Create library of core live update ioctls Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:06 ` [RFC PATCH 03/21] selftests/liveupdate: Move do_kexec.sh script to liveupdate/lib Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:06 ` [RFC PATCH 04/21] selftests/liveupdate: Move LUO ioctls calls to liveupdate library Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:06 ` [RFC PATCH 05/21] vfio/pci: Register VFIO live update file handler to Live Update Orchestrator Vipin Sharma
2025-10-31 21:24 ` David Matlack
2025-10-31 22:28 ` David Matlack
2025-10-18 0:06 ` [RFC PATCH 06/21] vfio/pci: Accept live update preservation request for VFIO cdev Vipin Sharma
2025-10-27 20:44 ` Jacob Pan
2025-10-28 13:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-28 17:39 ` Jacob Pan
2025-10-29 16:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-30 23:10 ` David Matlack
2025-10-31 0:18 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-31 21:41 ` David Matlack
2025-10-18 0:06 ` [RFC PATCH 07/21] vfio/pci: Store VFIO PCI device preservation data in KHO for live update Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 08/21] vfio/pci: Retrieve preserved VFIO device for Live Update Orechestrator Vipin Sharma
2025-10-31 23:12 ` David Matlack
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 09/21] vfio/pci: Add Live Update finish callback implementation Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 10/21] PCI: Add option to skip Bus Master Enable reset during kexec Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 11/21] vfio/pci: Skip clearing bus master on live update device " Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 7:09 ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-18 22:19 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 12/21] vfio/pci: Skip clearing bus master on live update restored device Vipin Sharma
2025-10-20 21:29 ` David Matlack
2025-10-20 22:39 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 13/21] vfio/pci: Preserve VFIO PCI config space through live update Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 14:59 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 14/21] vfio/pci: Skip device reset on live update restored device Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 15/21] PCI: Make PCI saved state and capability structs public Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 7:17 ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-18 22:36 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-20 23:49 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-22 17:45 ` David Matlack
2025-10-22 17:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-22 17:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-19 8:15 ` Lukas Wunner [this message]
2025-10-20 23:54 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-30 23:55 ` David Matlack
2025-10-31 0:06 ` David Matlack
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 16/21] vfio/pci: Save and restore the PCI state of the VFIO device Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 7:25 ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-18 22:44 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 15:02 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 17/21] vfio/pci: Disable interrupts before going live update kexec Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 18/21] vfio: selftests: Build liveupdate library in VFIO selftests Vipin Sharma
2025-10-20 20:50 ` David Matlack
2025-10-20 23:55 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 19/21] vfio: selftests: Initialize vfio_pci_device using a VFIO cdev FD Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 20/21] vfio: selftests: Add VFIO live update test Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 21/21] vfio: selftests: Validate vconfig preservation of VFIO PCI device during live update Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 17:21 ` [RFC PATCH 00/21] VFIO live update support Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-18 22:53 ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-18 23:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-20 23:30 ` Vipin Sharma
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