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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: "Günther Noack" <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	 Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] man/man7/unix.7: SCM_SECURITY: Generalize to other LSMs, not just SELinux
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2026 22:46:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <auEa_2LQFAD023tR@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261027.4df00f962b98@gnoack.org>

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Hi Günther,

> Date: 2026-10-27 09:54:51+0100
> From: Günther Noack <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2026 at 11:41:13PM +0100, Günther Noack wrote:
> > I'm still leaning towards documenting it as a buffer with
> > implementation-defined contents which are provided by a LSM.  How
> > these buffer contents are interpreted is depending on the LSM in use
> > anyway.
> 
> To make a more concrete and constructive wording proposal:
> 
> 
> SCM_SECURITY
> 
>   Receive the security context (the security label) of the peer
>   socket, as provided by the active Linux Security Module (LSM).  The
>   received ancillary data is a byte buffer.
> 
>   The exact format of the security context buffer is defined by the
>   active major LSM.  For example, SELinux returns a SELinux label as a
>   string (including a terminating null byte).

Let's pause the discussion of the specific text for now.

I have questions about the exact format used by each LSM.  For example,
you say that SELinux guarantees a string.  Does it count the '\0' as
part of the data size?  Or is it guaranteed to exist but not counted?

Same question for the other LSMs.


Have a lovely night!
Alex

> Does that sound reasonable? Let me know what you think.
> 
> I removed the wording "There is no fixed limit ...", because it should
> be a given that callers allocate enough buffer space for receiving and
> check the truncation flag.  (The more important part is that we remove
> the previous wording which suggested that it would fit into NAME_MAX.)
> 
> Given that SCM_SECURITY on "real" networks seems to have the same
> "buffer, not string" semantics, it feels fair to express it that way?
> People who want to read the security context will anyway need to read
> up on the exact format used by the LSM in order to attribute any
> meaning to it.
> 
> –Günther
> 
> P.S.: I had a hard time finding many usage examples.  The main user of
> SCM_SECURITY seems to be systemd's journald, which uses it to log the
> SELinux security label.  That code can deal with both null terminated
> strings and ones where it is missing (due to truncation), and there is
> a comment indicating that they are aware of possible truncation.

-- 
<https://www.alejandro-colomar.es>

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-27 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-21 21:22 [PATCH 0/7] unix.7: Socket Options and SCM_* fixes Günther Noack
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 1/7] man/man7/unix.7: ERRORS: ETOOMANYREFS: Fix the conditions Günther Noack
2026-10-22 21:14   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 16:50     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-24  4:45   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 2/7] man/man7/unix.7: Multiple same-typed SCM_* messages may be sent in one message Günther Noack
2026-10-22 21:28   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 17:09     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 3/7] man/man7/unix.7: Autobind: Clarify when it happens, and mention SO_PASSPIDFD Günther Noack
2026-10-24  4:57   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-26 21:55     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  5:04       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 4/7] man/man7/unix.7: SCM_SECURITY: Generalize to other LSMs, not just SELinux Günther Noack
2026-10-23  9:57   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 17:57     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-23 18:13       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-26 22:41         ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  8:54           ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 21:46             ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2026-10-27 22:30               ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 22:59                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-28  6:19                   ` Günther Noack
2026-10-28 12:45                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-27 16:32           ` Casey Schaufler
2026-10-27 21:52             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 5/7] man/man7/unix.7: SO_PASSSEC: wfix Günther Noack
2026-10-24  5:02   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-24  8:36     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-26 22:42       ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  5:05         ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 6/7] man/man7/unix.7: Document SO_PASSPIDFD, SO_PEERPIDFD, and SCM_PIDFD Günther Noack
2026-10-24  5:22   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-26 23:02     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  5:06       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 7/7] man/man7/unix.7: Document SO_PASSRIGHTS Günther Noack

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