From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: "Günther Noack" <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] man/man7/unix.7: SCM_SECURITY: Generalize to other LSMs, not just SELinux
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2026 23:59:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <auEr3XGMrHXiVZjs@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261027.421170835581@gnoack.org>
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Hi Günther,
> Date: 2026-10-27 23:30:59+0100
> From: Günther Noack <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
>
> Hello Alejandro!
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 10:46:14PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > > Date: 2026-10-27 09:54:51+0100
> > > From: Günther Noack <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2026 at 11:41:13PM +0100, Günther Noack wrote:
> > > > I'm still leaning towards documenting it as a buffer with
> > > > implementation-defined contents which are provided by a LSM. How
> > > > these buffer contents are interpreted is depending on the LSM in use
> > > > anyway.
> > >
> > > To make a more concrete and constructive wording proposal:
> > >
> > >
> > > SCM_SECURITY
> > >
> > > Receive the security context (the security label) of the peer
> > > socket, as provided by the active Linux Security Module (LSM). The
> > > received ancillary data is a byte buffer.
> > >
> > > The exact format of the security context buffer is defined by the
> > > active major LSM. For example, SELinux returns a SELinux label as a
> > > string (including a terminating null byte).
> >
> > Let's pause the discussion of the specific text for now.
> >
> > I have questions about the exact format used by each LSM. For example,
> > you say that SELinux guarantees a string. Does it count the '\0' as
> > part of the data size? Or is it guaranteed to exist but not counted?
> >
> > Same question for the other LSMs.
>
> Yes, SELinux counts the '\0' as part of the buffer size for the
> SCM_SECURITY security context.
Ok.
>
> Examples:
> * If the label is "foo", it'll return {'f', 'o', 'o', '\0'} with payload size 4.
> * If the reader calls recvmsg() but preallocates too little space in
> the msg_control buffer, this can get truncated though, and then it
> won't end with '\0':
> {'e', 'x', 'a', 'm', 'p'} with payload size 5 (truncated)
Ouch! So, no string guarantees here either, actually.
> Other LSMs:
>
> * Smack excludes the null byte for SCM_SECURITY (smack_to_secctx())
> (but irritatingly it does count the null byte when a label is
> returned through SO_PEERSEC (smack_socket_getpeersec_stream()).
> Both functions are in security/smack/smack_lsm.c.
And as we've seen, no string guarantees, IIUC.
>
> * AppArmor excludes the null byte for SCM_SECURITY as well.
> Implementation is in apparmor_label_to_secctx(), where it populates
> the struct lsm_context *cp using:
>
> len = aa_label_asxprint(&cp->context...)
>
> and then sets
>
> cp->len = len;
>
> The function aa_label_asxprint() returns the length without trailing
> null byte, as can be seen in its implementation.
How does it behave if there's not enough space? Does AppArmor guarantee
a string?
Cheers,
Alex
> SELinux, Smack and AppArmor are the only LSMs that implement the
> secid_to_secctx() hook, which is the hook that defines the payload
> contents. (For reference, the higher level common SCM logic like the
> truncation is in net/core/scm.c.)
>
> All reasoning is based on reading the code (with some AI assistance to
> point me to the right places). I have not tried it out in a running
> system, but it seems to check out.
>
> –Günther
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Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-21 21:22 [PATCH 0/7] unix.7: Socket Options and SCM_* fixes Günther Noack
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 1/7] man/man7/unix.7: ERRORS: ETOOMANYREFS: Fix the conditions Günther Noack
2026-10-22 21:14 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 16:50 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-24 4:45 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 2/7] man/man7/unix.7: Multiple same-typed SCM_* messages may be sent in one message Günther Noack
2026-10-22 21:28 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 17:09 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 3/7] man/man7/unix.7: Autobind: Clarify when it happens, and mention SO_PASSPIDFD Günther Noack
2026-10-24 4:57 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-26 21:55 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 5:04 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 4/7] man/man7/unix.7: SCM_SECURITY: Generalize to other LSMs, not just SELinux Günther Noack
2026-10-23 9:57 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 17:57 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-23 18:13 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-26 22:41 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 8:54 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 21:46 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-27 22:30 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 22:59 ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2026-10-28 6:19 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-28 12:45 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-27 16:32 ` Casey Schaufler
2026-10-27 21:52 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 5/7] man/man7/unix.7: SO_PASSSEC: wfix Günther Noack
2026-10-24 5:02 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-24 8:36 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-26 22:42 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 5:05 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 6/7] man/man7/unix.7: Document SO_PASSPIDFD, SO_PEERPIDFD, and SCM_PIDFD Günther Noack
2026-10-24 5:22 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-26 23:02 ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 5:06 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 7/7] man/man7/unix.7: Document SO_PASSRIGHTS Günther Noack
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