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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: "Günther Noack" <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	 Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] man/man7/unix.7: SCM_SECURITY: Generalize to other LSMs, not just SELinux
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2026 23:59:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <auEr3XGMrHXiVZjs@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261027.421170835581@gnoack.org>

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Hi Günther,

> Date: 2026-10-27 23:30:59+0100
> From: Günther Noack <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
>
> Hello Alejandro!
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 10:46:14PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > > Date: 2026-10-27 09:54:51+0100
> > > From: Günther Noack <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2026 at 11:41:13PM +0100, Günther Noack wrote:
> > > > I'm still leaning towards documenting it as a buffer with
> > > > implementation-defined contents which are provided by a LSM.  How
> > > > these buffer contents are interpreted is depending on the LSM in use
> > > > anyway.
> > > 
> > > To make a more concrete and constructive wording proposal:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > SCM_SECURITY
> > > 
> > >   Receive the security context (the security label) of the peer
> > >   socket, as provided by the active Linux Security Module (LSM).  The
> > >   received ancillary data is a byte buffer.
> > > 
> > >   The exact format of the security context buffer is defined by the
> > >   active major LSM.  For example, SELinux returns a SELinux label as a
> > >   string (including a terminating null byte).
> > 
> > Let's pause the discussion of the specific text for now.
> > 
> > I have questions about the exact format used by each LSM.  For example,
> > you say that SELinux guarantees a string.  Does it count the '\0' as
> > part of the data size?  Or is it guaranteed to exist but not counted?
> > 
> > Same question for the other LSMs.
> 
> Yes, SELinux counts the '\0' as part of the buffer size for the
> SCM_SECURITY security context.

Ok.

> 
> Examples:
> * If the label is "foo", it'll return {'f', 'o', 'o', '\0'} with payload size 4.
> * If the reader calls recvmsg() but preallocates too little space in
>   the msg_control buffer, this can get truncated though, and then it
>   won't end with '\0':
>   {'e', 'x', 'a', 'm', 'p'} with payload size 5 (truncated)

Ouch!  So, no string guarantees here either, actually.

> Other LSMs:
> 
> * Smack excludes the null byte for SCM_SECURITY (smack_to_secctx())
>   (but irritatingly it does count the null byte when a label is
>   returned through SO_PEERSEC (smack_socket_getpeersec_stream()).
>   Both functions are in security/smack/smack_lsm.c.

And as we've seen, no string guarantees, IIUC.

> 
> * AppArmor excludes the null byte for SCM_SECURITY as well.
>   Implementation is in apparmor_label_to_secctx(), where it populates
>   the struct lsm_context *cp using:
> 
>     len = aa_label_asxprint(&cp->context...)
> 
>   and then sets
> 
>     cp->len = len;
> 
>   The function aa_label_asxprint() returns the length without trailing
>   null byte, as can be seen in its implementation.

How does it behave if there's not enough space?  Does AppArmor guarantee
a string?


Cheers,
Alex

> SELinux, Smack and AppArmor are the only LSMs that implement the
> secid_to_secctx() hook, which is the hook that defines the payload
> contents.  (For reference, the higher level common SCM logic like the
> truncation is in net/core/scm.c.)
> 
> All reasoning is based on reading the code (with some AI assistance to
> point me to the right places). I have not tried it out in a running
> system, but it seems to check out.
> 
> –Günther

-- 
<https://www.alejandro-colomar.es>

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-27 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-21 21:22 [PATCH 0/7] unix.7: Socket Options and SCM_* fixes Günther Noack
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 1/7] man/man7/unix.7: ERRORS: ETOOMANYREFS: Fix the conditions Günther Noack
2026-10-22 21:14   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 16:50     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-24  4:45   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 2/7] man/man7/unix.7: Multiple same-typed SCM_* messages may be sent in one message Günther Noack
2026-10-22 21:28   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 17:09     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 3/7] man/man7/unix.7: Autobind: Clarify when it happens, and mention SO_PASSPIDFD Günther Noack
2026-10-24  4:57   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-26 21:55     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  5:04       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 4/7] man/man7/unix.7: SCM_SECURITY: Generalize to other LSMs, not just SELinux Günther Noack
2026-10-23  9:57   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 17:57     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-23 18:13       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-26 22:41         ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  8:54           ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 21:46             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-27 22:30               ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 22:59                 ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2026-10-28  6:19                   ` Günther Noack
2026-10-28 12:45                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-27 16:32           ` Casey Schaufler
2026-10-27 21:52             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 5/7] man/man7/unix.7: SO_PASSSEC: wfix Günther Noack
2026-10-24  5:02   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-24  8:36     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-26 22:42       ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  5:05         ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 6/7] man/man7/unix.7: Document SO_PASSPIDFD, SO_PEERPIDFD, and SCM_PIDFD Günther Noack
2026-10-24  5:22   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-26 23:02     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  5:06       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 7/7] man/man7/unix.7: Document SO_PASSRIGHTS Günther Noack

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