DECstation

DECstation

[Smith, Todd]

Hello,

I was curious about the DECstation 5000/133 and a graphical console.

Todd Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: Karsten Merker
To: Smith, Todd
Cc: 'linux-mips@oss.sgi.com'
Sent: 6/20/2002 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Linux and the Sony Playstation 2

On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 04:10:52PM -0400, Smith, Todd wrote:

> This list is been pretty quiet lately so I don't really know what is
> happening on the Linux/MIPS front.  I am hoping that work is still
slowly
> proceeding on the DECstation that I have, but I don't really know.  I
agree

Which model Du you have? I am actively using Linux/MIPS on a DECstation
5000/150 (although not with a bleeding-edge kernel), and it works rather
well for me.

Regards,
Karsten
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Re: DECstation

[Maciej W. Rozycki]

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Smith, Todd wrote:

> I was curious about the DECstation 5000/133 and a graphical console.

 The system should be fine -- basically all I/O ASIC based systems should
work, though not all devices have been supplied with drivers yet. 

 You should be able to use X11 with an XF86_FBDev Xserver on a PMAG-B (CX) 
or a PMAGB-B (HX) display adapter (I wasn't able to try myself so far
though).  For other display adapters, the answer is either "not yet" or
"no way". 

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Re: DECstation

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Fri, 2002-06-21 23:06:19 +0200, Maciej W. Rozycki <macro@ds2.pg.gda.pl>
wrote in message <Pine.GSO.3.96.1020621225833.2531B-100000@delta.ds2.pg.gda.pl>:
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Smith, Todd wrote:
>  You should be able to use X11 with an XF86_FBDev Xserver on a PMAG-B (CX) 
> or a PMAGB-B (HX) display adapter (I wasn't able to try myself so far
> though).  For other display adapters, the answer is either "not yet" or
> "no way". 

I had X4 with framebuffer running on my DECstation with a PMAGB-B
framebuffer. However, seems there were some threading problems (which
might exist because the lack of ll/sc...).

However, graphic was functional, but I haven't switched on that box for
three months or so. I'm currently moving to an other city (well, quite a
smallish town)...

MfG, JBG

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Re: DECstation

[Maciej W. Rozycki]

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:

> I had X4 with framebuffer running on my DECstation with a PMAGB-B
> framebuffer. However, seems there were some threading problems (which
> might exist because the lack of ll/sc...).

 Either sysmips (ouch) or the emulation should handle them.  There may be
bugs, however...

> However, graphic was functional, but I haven't switched on that box for
> three months or so. I'm currently moving to an other city (well, quite a
> smallish town)...

 I'm on the way to getting appropriate monitor adapter cables, so I may
finally be able to access consoles.

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Re: DECstation

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Sat, 2002-06-22 00:46:04 +0200, Maciej W. Rozycki <macro@ds2.pg.gda.pl>
wrote in message <Pine.GSO.3.96.1020621231916.2531D-100000@delta.ds2.pg.gda.pl>:
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:

>  I'm on the way to getting appropriate monitor adapter cables, so I may
> finally be able to access consoles.

I've only got one DEC monitor cable (and I can't find it currently, I'm
moving...), but maybe I can ask around in a university nearby if there
are DECstations going their last way out, then I'll send you an original
cable...

MfG, JBG

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Re: DECstation

[Karsten Merker]

On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:06:19PM +0200, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Smith, Todd wrote:
> 
> > I was curious about the DECstation 5000/133 and a graphical console.
> 
>  The system should be fine -- basically all I/O ASIC based systems should
> work, though not all devices have been supplied with drivers yet. 
> 
>  You should be able to use X11 with an XF86_FBDev Xserver on a PMAG-B (CX) 
> or a PMAGB-B (HX) display adapter (I wasn't able to try myself so far
> though).  For other display adapters, the answer is either "not yet" or
> "no way". 

Graphical console on PMAG-B and PMAGB-B works fine. 

X works in principle, too, i.e. you get graphical output and you can 
use the mouse (with the help of gpm's repeater mode), but the keyboard 
support within X is broken.

Regards,
Karsten
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Re: DECstation

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Sat, 2002-06-22 04:36:57 +0200, Karsten Merker <karsten@excalibur.cologne.de>
wrote in message <20020622043657.B253@excalibur.cologne.de>:
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:06:19PM +0200, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Smith, Todd wrote:
> > > I was curious about the DECstation 5000/133 and a graphical console.

> X works in principle, too, i.e. you get graphical output and you can 
> use the mouse (with the help of gpm's repeater mode), but the keyboard 
> support within X is broken.

Well... Some keys are functional, some are not, and some are better to
never press... I've tried to understand how X handles the keyboard one
evening, but I badly failed to understand all those mappings and layouts
and so on:-(

MfG, JBG

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Re: DECstation

[Maciej W. Rozycki]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:

> Well... Some keys are functional, some are not, and some are better to
> never press... I've tried to understand how X handles the keyboard one
> evening, but I badly failed to understand all those mappings and layouts
> and so on:-(

 A fix is on my to-do list -- hopefully to be done just after the current
task.  There is a long-standing bug in the generic keyboard handling code. 
After fixing it and then the LK driver (which cannot be fixed now because
of the bug), you'll be able to use LK mappings included in the X11
distribution.  It was discussed here earlier this year. 

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RE: DECstation

[Smith, Todd]

Thank you for your information.  I was unsure since the website that I was
reading for information was very much out of date.

Keep up the good work!

Todd Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: Maciej W. Rozycki [mailto:macro@ds2.pg.gda.pl]

 The system should be fine -- basically all I/O ASIC based systems should
work, though not all devices have been supplied with drivers yet. 

 You should be able to use X11 with an XF86_FBDev Xserver on a PMAG-B (CX) 
or a PMAGB-B (HX) display adapter (I wasn't able to try myself so far
though).  For other display adapters, the answer is either "not yet" or
"no way". 

RE: DECstation

[Smith, Todd]

Hello,

The http://decstation.unix-ag.org is the site that I was refering to.  The
sother site that you mentioned, I get a 404 on it.

Thanks for your time

Todd Smith <todd.smith@camc.org>

-----Original Message-----
From: Maciej W. Rozycki
To: Smith, Todd
Cc: 'linux-mips@oss.sgi.com'
Sent: 6/21/2002 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: DECstation

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Smith, Todd wrote:

> Thanks for the update.  Has there been any work on the website
updating what
> works and what doesn't?

 What website do you specifically refer to?  If you mean
'http://decstation.unix-ag.org/', then that's notoriously out of date. 
But Karel does a pretty good job maintaining his site -- see
'http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel/'. 

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RE: DECstation

[Maciej W. Rozycki]

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Smith, Todd wrote:

> The http://decstation.unix-ag.org is the site that I was refering to.  The
> sother site that you mentioned, I get a 404 on it.

 Well, I've copied and pasted the URL as is from my web client.  You may
get to the page from 'http://decstation.unix-ag.org/people/' as well. 

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DECstation

[Smith, Todd]

Thanks for the update.  Has there been any work on the website updating what
works and what doesn't?

Todd Smith

Re: DECstation

[Maciej W. Rozycki]

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Smith, Todd wrote:

> Thanks for the update.  Has there been any work on the website updating what
> works and what doesn't?

 What website do you specifically refer to?  If you mean
'http://decstation.unix-ag.org/', then that's notoriously out of date. 
But Karel does a pretty good job maintaining his site -- see
'http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel/'. 

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+  Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland   +
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
+        e-mail: macro@ds2.pg.gda.pl, PGP key available        +