From: Jianyong Wu <wujianyong@hygon.cn>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH v2 07/23] sched/cache: Prioritize preferred NUMA node selection over LLC selection
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2026 08:05:22 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <82a9b1c118424a48a0b70439ddae6905@hygon.cn> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260831132229.GL4120091@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Hi Peter,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2026 9:22 PM
> To: Jianyong Wu <wujianyong@hygon.cn>
> Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>; Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>;
> Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>; Chen Yu
> <yu.c.chen@intel.com>; Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>; Dietmar
> Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>; Steven Rostedt
> <rostedt@goodmis.org>; Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>; Mel Gorman
> <mgorman@suse.de>; Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>; K
> Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>; Shrikanth Hegde
> <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>; Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>; Andrew
> Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>; David Hildenbrand
> <david@kernel.org>; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-mm@kvack.org;
> jianyong.wu@outlook.com; Yuan Zhong <zhongyuan@hygon.cn>; Huangsj
> <huangsj@hygon.cn>; Fengyu Wang <wangfengyu@hygon.cn>; Zhiwei Ying
> <yingzhiwei@hygon.cn>; justin.he@arm.com
> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 07/23] sched/cache: Prioritize preferred NUMA
> node selection over LLC selection
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2026 at 08:28:00PM +0800, Jianyong Wu wrote:
> > In the current implementation, the preferred LLC is selected based on the
> > LLC with the largest running time of the thread group. However, the
> > preferred LLC may be prone to frequent migration when the workload
> > spreads across the entire system, especially when the number of CPUs
> > sharing an LLC is small. A better approach is to first select a preferred
> > NUMA node in the same way, and then select the preferred LLC within
> that
> > preferred NUMA node.
>
> Hmm, if we're going to look at nodes, should we not also consider the
> numa balancing preferred node, and perhaps priorize an llc inside that
> nore, rather than the occupancy wise busiest node?
>
The NUMA balancing preferred node is already covered by the scan:
get_scan_cpumasks() folds p->numa_preferred_nid (plus the node of the
current preferred LLC and the current running node) into the scan mask,
so it is not ignored - it is one of the candidates. And it filters out other no
related nodes.
The reason I don't hard-prioritize it is that numa_preferred_nid is
per-task while the preferred LLC is per-process. Different threads of the
same process can hold different preferred nodes, so prioritizing any one
of them would make the process-wide preferred LLC bounce between nodes.
So instead I include the NUMA balancing preferred node as a candidate and
let occupancy decide among them.
>
> > - a_occ += occ;
> > - if (occ > m_occ) {
> > - m_occ = occ;
> > - m_cpu = i;
> > + a_occ += occ;
> > + if (occ > m_occ) {
> > + m_occ = occ;
> > + m_cpu = i;
> > + }
> > +
> > + cur = rcu_dereference_all(cpu_rq(i)->curr);
> > + if (cur && !(cur->flags & (PF_EXITING |
> PF_KTHREAD)) &&
> > + cur->mm == mm)
> > + nr_running++;
> > }
>
> This level of indenting seems to suggest perhaps breaking things out
> into a helper function?
Agreed, the nesting got too deep. I'll factor the inner LLC occupancy
scan out into a helper function in the next revision.
Thanks
Jianyong
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-01 8:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-27 12:27 [RFC PATCH v2 00/23] sched: Scale cache-aware aggregation at LLC granularity Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/23] sched/topology: Add llc_to_node() to translate LLC id to NUMA node Jianyong Wu
2026-08-29 10:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-31 9:43 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/23] sched/topology: Introduce a NUMA distance matrix with unique distance values Jianyong Wu
2026-08-31 11:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 6:57 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 7:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 7:37 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 8:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-02 7:11 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/23] sched/topology: Introduce a macro to traverse node Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/23] sched/topology: Introduce a method to calculate the llc distance Jianyong Wu
2026-08-31 13:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-27 12:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/23] sched/topology: Introduce a macro to traverse LLC inside node Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/23] sched/topology: Add sd_node for the NODE sched domain Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/23] sched/cache: Prioritize preferred NUMA node selection over LLC selection Jianyong Wu
2026-08-31 13:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 7:44 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-31 13:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 8:05 ` Jianyong Wu [this message]
2026-08-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/23] sched/topology: Introduce a per-CPU tasks NUMA preferred counter Jianyong Wu
2026-08-31 13:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 8:14 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-31 13:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 8:31 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 10:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 13:02 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/23] sched/cache: Account percpu sd task NUMA preference Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 7:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 8:41 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/23] sched/topology: Add per-sd scratch for the load balance affinity score Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 8:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 11:55 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/23] sched/cache: Introduce helpers for task migration decisions Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 9:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-02 5:08 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 11:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-02 5:46 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-09-02 21:11 ` Tim Chen
2026-09-03 2:04 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/23] sched/cache: Introduce rq affinity gain calculation Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 9:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 12:23 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 10:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 12:34 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/23] sched/cache: Pick optimal src rq/group using affinity promotion metric Jianyong Wu
2026-08-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/23] sched/cache: Drop prefer_sibling restriction for llc_balance Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 10:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-01 13:25 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-28 1:58 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/23] sched/cache: Judge migration eligibility in LLC granularity Jianyong Wu
2026-08-28 2:04 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/23] sched/cache: Allow un-throttled active balance to spread out of a full LLC Jianyong Wu
2026-08-28 2:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/23] sched/fair: Fine-granularity NUMA balancing Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 12:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-02 6:43 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-08-28 2:09 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/23] sched/cache: Scan all prefer nodes in thread group Jianyong Wu
2026-08-28 2:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/23] sched/cache: Remove preferred LLC/node check no longer needed Jianyong Wu
2026-08-28 2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/23] sched/cache: Estimate utilization of the whole thread group Jianyong Wu
2026-09-01 14:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-08-28 2:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/23] sched/cache: Spread workloads within an estimated LLC range Jianyong Wu
2026-08-28 2:14 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/23] sched/cache: Walk the preferred node from the preferred LLC Jianyong Wu
2026-08-28 2:15 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/23] sched/debug: Print task preferred LLC for scheduler debugging Jianyong Wu
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