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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 01/19] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 16:13:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <88b0765f-7cfc-4e44-83d2-c01a1755c842@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aeohzbmhQAoOODPm@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On 4/23/26 15:42, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 07:57:01AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 11:46:56AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>
>> Changes we have to add: 8 changes
>> Rename 4 existing APIs adding _user: __alloc_pages,
>> __folio_alloc, folio_alloc_mpol, __alloc_frozen_pages + add
>> 4 wrapper macros/inlines in gfp.h that forward to the _user variants with
>> USER_ADDR_NONE. Roughly 6-8 lines of boilerplate per API.
>>
> 
> This is essentially what i was proposing.
> 
> The result would be more external surface to the buddy (at least 2 maybe
> more functions, plus all the _noprof stuff and a bunch of other things).

We probably wouldn't need prof stuff if all we care about is vma_alloc_folio()
that will only be calling _noprof internally.

> 
> And then all the callers have to be updated anywhere, and not make it
> any harder to mess up.  You either have
> 
>     old_interface(..., user_addr);
>     /* Churn everything using the old interface */
> 
> or
> 
>     __internal(..., user_addr) { }
> 
>     old_interface(...) {
>        __internal(..., NO_USER_ADDR);
>     }
> 
>     new_interface(..., user_addr) {
>        __internal(..., user_addr);
>     }
> 
>     /* 
>      * Update some callsites to use new_interface()
>      * mostly a bunch of _mpol() functions but some others
>      */
> 
> but someone could still just as easily do
> 
>     old_interface();
>     /* don't fall folio_zero_user() - Bug! */
> 
> So it's not like this makes things any harder to mess up.

Right.

Looking at the patch, there would already be less churn if

folio_alloc_mpol()
__alloc_frozen_pages_noprof()
__alloc_pages()
post_alloc_hook()

Would have simple wrappers.

hugetlb calls  __alloc_frozen_pages(). That's rather nasty, given that
it wants to allocate a frozen folio.

alloc_hugetlb_folio() already consumes vma+addr.
alloc_buddy_hugetlb_folio_with_mpol() already consumes vma+addr.

Maybe we could forward the vma+addr here and call a vma_alloc_froze_folio() if
we have a VMA+addr to have a clean interface.

But really, that hugetlb code is rather messy. I'd vote for leaving hugetlb
alone on a v1, and focusing on non-hugetlb first.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-23 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-21 22:01 [PATCH RFC v3 00/19] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/19] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22 19:47   ` Gregory Price
2026-04-22 20:32     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22 21:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-23  4:31       ` Gregory Price
2026-04-23  9:46         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 11:57           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-23 13:42             ` Gregory Price
2026-04-23 14:13               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-04-23 14:46                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-23 15:54                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 16:13                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-23 14:57                 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/19] mm: add folio_zero_user stub for configs without THP/HUGETLBFS Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/19] mm: page_alloc: move prep_compound_page before post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/19] mm: use folio_zero_user for user pages in post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in alloc_anon_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/19] mm: hugetlb: use __GFP_ZERO and skip zeroing for zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/19] mm: memfd: skip zeroing for zeroed hugetlb pool pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/19] mm: remove arch vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio overrides Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22  6:54   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-04-22 21:29   ` Greg Ungerer
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 11/19] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 12/19] mm: page_reporting: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 13/19] virtio_balloon: a hack to enable host-zeroed page optimization Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 14/19] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter with page budget Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 15/19] mm: add free_frozen_pages_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 16/19] mm: add put_page_zeroed and folio_put_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 17/19] mm: page_alloc: clear PG_zeroed on buddy merge if not both zero Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 18/19] mm: page_alloc: preserve PG_zeroed in page_del_and_expand Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 19/19] virtio_balloon: mark deflated pages as zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin

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