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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 01/19] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 00:31:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aemglPlcwFFHNj1A@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260422171315-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2026 at 05:20:27PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2026 at 03:47:07PM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> > 
> > __alloc_user_pages(..., gfp_t gfp, user_addr)
> 
> With a wrapper approach, looks like we'd need something like
> __GFP_SKIP_ZERO so post_alloc_hook doesn't zero sequentially, then the
> wrapper re-zeros with folio_zero_user().  But then the wrapper needs to
> know whether the page was pre-zeroed (PG_zeroed), which is cleared by
> post_alloc_hook before return.  So the information doesn't survive to
> the wrapper.
> 

I was thinking more that internally you already have that information
you need to know to skip the zeroing - and so the wrapper can just pass
__GFP_ZERO and post_alloc_hook() would do the right thing regardless

Then on the way out, the new wrapper would take care of cacheline piece.

However, i explored this a bit - and while it saves some churn on the
interface, it adds two paths into the buddy - and that increase in
surface might not be worth it.

So I see the tradeoff here.  The churn is probably worth it.

~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-23  4:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-21 22:01 [PATCH RFC v3 00/19] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/19] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22 19:47   ` Gregory Price
2026-04-22 20:32     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22 21:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-23  4:31       ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/19] mm: add folio_zero_user stub for configs without THP/HUGETLBFS Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/19] mm: page_alloc: move prep_compound_page before post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/19] mm: use folio_zero_user for user pages in post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in alloc_anon_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/19] mm: hugetlb: use __GFP_ZERO and skip zeroing for zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/19] mm: memfd: skip zeroing for zeroed hugetlb pool pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/19] mm: remove arch vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio overrides Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22  6:54   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-04-22 21:29   ` Greg Ungerer
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 11/19] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 12/19] mm: page_reporting: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 13/19] virtio_balloon: a hack to enable host-zeroed page optimization Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 14/19] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter with page budget Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 15/19] mm: add free_frozen_pages_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 16/19] mm: add put_page_zeroed and folio_put_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 17/19] mm: page_alloc: clear PG_zeroed on buddy merge if not both zero Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 18/19] mm: page_alloc: preserve PG_zeroed in page_del_and_expand Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 19/19] virtio_balloon: mark deflated pages as zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin

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