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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 01/19] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 15:47:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aekluxNPxF8CN8fL@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9dd9deabd42801f3c344326991d1431c3d8db39d.1776808210.git.mst@redhat.com>

On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 06:01:10PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> Thread a user virtual address from vma_alloc_folio() down through
> the page allocator to post_alloc_hook().  This is plumbing preparation
> for a subsequent patch that will use user_addr to call folio_zero_user()
> for cache-friendly zeroing of user pages.
> 
> The user_addr is stored in struct alloc_context and flows through:
>   vma_alloc_folio -> folio_alloc_mpol -> __alloc_pages_mpol ->
>   __alloc_frozen_pages -> get_page_from_freelist -> prep_new_page ->
>   post_alloc_hook
> 
> Public APIs (__alloc_pages, __folio_alloc, folio_alloc_mpol) gain a
> user_addr parameter directly.  Callers that do not need user_addr
> pass USER_ADDR_NONE ((unsigned long)-1), since
> address 0 is a valid user mapping.
> 

Question: rather than churning the entirety of the existing interfaces,
is there a possibility of adding an explicit interface for this
interaction that amounts to:

__alloc_user_pages(..., gfp_t gfp, user_addr)
{
    BUG_ON(!(gfp & __GFP_ZERO));

    /* post_alloc_hook implements the already-zeroed skip */
    page = alloc_page(..., gfp, ...); /* existing interface */

    /* Do the cacheline stuff here instead of in the core */
    cacheline_nonsense(page, user_addr);

    return page; /* user doesn't need to do explicit zeroing */
}

Then rather than leaking information out of the buddy, we just need to
get the zeroed information *into* the buddy.

the users that want zeroing but need the explicit user_addr step just
defer the zeroing to outside post_alloc_hook().

That's just my immediate gut reaction to all this churn on the existing
interfaces.

Existing users can continue using the buddy as-is, and enlightened users
can optimize for this specific kind of __GFP_ZERO interaction.

~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-22 19:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-21 22:01 [PATCH RFC v3 00/19] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/19] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22 19:47   ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-04-22 20:32     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22 21:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/19] mm: add folio_zero_user stub for configs without THP/HUGETLBFS Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/19] mm: page_alloc: move prep_compound_page before post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/19] mm: use folio_zero_user for user pages in post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in alloc_anon_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/19] mm: hugetlb: use __GFP_ZERO and skip zeroing for zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/19] mm: memfd: skip zeroing for zeroed hugetlb pool pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/19] mm: remove arch vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio overrides Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22  6:54   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-04-22 21:29   ` Greg Ungerer
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 11/19] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 12/19] mm: page_reporting: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 13/19] virtio_balloon: a hack to enable host-zeroed page optimization Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 14/19] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter with page budget Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 15/19] mm: add free_frozen_pages_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 16/19] mm: add put_page_zeroed and folio_put_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 17/19] mm: page_alloc: clear PG_zeroed on buddy merge if not both zero Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 18/19] mm: page_alloc: preserve PG_zeroed in page_del_and_expand Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 19/19] virtio_balloon: mark deflated pages as zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin

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