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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: "Sean Christopherson" <seanjc@google.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
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	"David Hildenbrand" <david@kernel.org>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <ljs@kernel.org>,
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	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"Clark Williams" <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
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	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
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	linux-mm@kvack.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/mmu_notifier: Remove non_block_start/end() from notifier invocation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2026 15:43:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a17c8d33102c49c74a64fb62d402b315ba950577.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49df45c6-4d0e-483a-8acc-0ace7f9a6484@paulmck-laptop>

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On Tue, 2026-08-18 at 11:18 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 08:54:44AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-08-12 at 14:38 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > If not, please let me know, and I will put together that does the
> > > job.
> > 
> > If you're working on that, I assume it'd need the readers to be known-
> > atomic. So if any of the read-side SRCU_READ_FLAVOR_ATOMIC thing I
> > already threw together is useful, you can find it in my tree at
> > https://git.infradead.org/?p=users/dwmw2/linux.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/srcu-atomic
> 
> Thank you, happy to steal pieces of that with attribution.  ;-)
> 
> My current plan says that if you have an atomic SRCU on which you
> use srcu_read_lock_atomic() and srcu_read_unlock_atomic(), you only
> ever get to use synchronize_srcu_atomic(), never synchronize_srcu(),
> synchronize_srcu_expedited(), or call_srcu().  Does that work for you?

I just said this elsewhere in the thread¹ but I don't necessarily
expect you to be following that. So to bring it back here...

My mental model for srcu_read_lock_atomic() was that it was always
atomic, even on RT — it was basically equivalent to a raw spinlock.

In fact I think it would be OK for it to be equivalent to a *plain*
spinlock — i.e. atomic on non-RT, but might sleep on RT.

When I wrote that previous email I was thinking that might end up being
additional complexity in your implementation, but as I type this I
guess it could be as simple as falling back to the normal non-atomic
case for RT?

¹ https://lore.kernel.org/all/448c5c0128b08ab98d175ae1099ff4d4874e49b3.camel@infradead.org/

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-20 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-11  8:58 [PATCH] mm/mmu_notifier: Remove non_block_start/end() from notifier invocation David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 13:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 14:21   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 14:27     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 14:33       ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 14:42         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-11 15:24           ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 15:30             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12  8:14             ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-12  8:21               ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 12:27                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 13:46                   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 13:49                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 14:05                       ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 14:26                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 14:38                           ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-13 10:05                             ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-13 13:59                               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-13 14:40                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 14:34                         ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 15:03                           ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 15:49                             ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 16:20                               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-12 17:17                                 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 21:38                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-12 21:55                                     ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-13  7:54                                     ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-18 18:18                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-18 18:28                                         ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-20 14:43                                         ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2026-08-21 17:38                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-25 12:15                                             ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-25 16:47                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-25 17:05                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-25 17:19                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-25 17:48                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-25 18:16                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-25 19:58                                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-25 20:51                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-26  7:32                                                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-26  7:38                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-26 15:05                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-26 16:28                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-26 18:01                                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-26 19:59                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-26 20:30                                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-26 21:04                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-27  8:20                                                                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-27 23:25                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-28 23:18                                                           ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                                           ` <90d91673-a912-439f-98ee-e43285294486@paulmck-laptop>
2026-09-01  9:40                                                             ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 19:12                                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-01 20:40                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-01 22:51                                                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-01 22:53                                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 23:05                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-12 16:04                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-08-12 16:07                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 17:49                               ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-20 13:30                                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-20 14:26                                   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-20 15:34                                     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-20 18:49                                       ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12  8:13           ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-11 15:29         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 15:15       ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 15:24         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 15:29           ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 16:24             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 17:22               ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 17:26                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 17:59                   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 18:19                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 20:06                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 20:21                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-08-11 21:14                           ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 22:58                             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 23:50                               ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 10:25                                 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 16:07                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 20:29                         ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 15:12 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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