From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: paulmck@kernel.org
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/mmu_notifier: Remove non_block_start/end() from notifier invocation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2026 15:43:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a17c8d33102c49c74a64fb62d402b315ba950577.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49df45c6-4d0e-483a-8acc-0ace7f9a6484@paulmck-laptop>
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On Tue, 2026-08-18 at 11:18 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 08:54:44AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-08-12 at 14:38 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > If not, please let me know, and I will put together that does the
> > > job.
> >
> > If you're working on that, I assume it'd need the readers to be known-
> > atomic. So if any of the read-side SRCU_READ_FLAVOR_ATOMIC thing I
> > already threw together is useful, you can find it in my tree at
> > https://git.infradead.org/?p=users/dwmw2/linux.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/srcu-atomic
>
> Thank you, happy to steal pieces of that with attribution. ;-)
>
> My current plan says that if you have an atomic SRCU on which you
> use srcu_read_lock_atomic() and srcu_read_unlock_atomic(), you only
> ever get to use synchronize_srcu_atomic(), never synchronize_srcu(),
> synchronize_srcu_expedited(), or call_srcu(). Does that work for you?
I just said this elsewhere in the thread¹ but I don't necessarily
expect you to be following that. So to bring it back here...
My mental model for srcu_read_lock_atomic() was that it was always
atomic, even on RT — it was basically equivalent to a raw spinlock.
In fact I think it would be OK for it to be equivalent to a *plain*
spinlock — i.e. atomic on non-RT, but might sleep on RT.
When I wrote that previous email I was thinking that might end up being
additional complexity in your implementation, but as I type this I
guess it could be as simple as falling back to the normal non-atomic
case for RT?
¹ https://lore.kernel.org/all/448c5c0128b08ab98d175ae1099ff4d4874e49b3.camel@infradead.org/
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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-11 8:58 [PATCH] mm/mmu_notifier: Remove non_block_start/end() from notifier invocation David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 13:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 14:21 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 14:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 14:33 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 14:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-11 15:24 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 15:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 8:14 ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-12 8:21 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 12:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 13:46 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 13:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 14:05 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 14:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 14:38 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-13 10:05 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-13 13:59 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-13 14:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 14:34 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 15:03 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 15:49 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 16:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-12 17:17 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 21:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-12 21:55 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-13 7:54 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-18 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-18 18:28 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-20 14:43 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2026-08-21 17:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-25 12:15 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-25 16:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-25 17:05 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-25 17:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-25 17:48 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-25 18:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-25 19:58 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-25 20:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-26 7:32 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-26 7:38 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-26 15:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-26 16:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-26 18:01 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-26 19:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-26 20:30 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-26 21:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-27 8:20 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-27 23:25 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-28 23:18 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] ` <90d91673-a912-439f-98ee-e43285294486@paulmck-laptop>
2026-09-01 9:40 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 19:12 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-01 20:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-01 22:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-01 22:53 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 23:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-12 16:04 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-08-12 16:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-12 17:49 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-20 13:30 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-20 14:26 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-20 15:34 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-20 18:49 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 8:13 ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-11 15:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 15:15 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 15:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 15:29 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 16:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 17:22 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 17:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 17:59 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 18:19 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 20:06 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 20:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-08-11 21:14 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 22:58 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 23:50 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 10:25 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-12 16:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 20:29 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 15:12 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
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