From: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH mm-unstable v18 11/14] mm/khugepaged: Introduce mTHP collapse support
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2026 14:59:12 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aiGEEcua8ebAKZWt@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aiF25dvH4qd_C4aj@lucifer>
On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 02:53:39PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> (Checking the algorithm here)
>
> On Mon, Jun 01, 2026 at 10:11:24AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> > On 5/22/26 17:00, Nico Pache wrote:
> >
> > Finally time for the core piece :)
> >
> > > Enable khugepaged to collapse to mTHP orders. This patch implements the
> > > main scanning logic using a bitmap to track occupied pages and a stack
> > > structure that allows us to find optimal collapse sizes.
> > >
> > > Previous to this patch, PMD collapse had 3 main phases, a light weight
> > > scanning phase (mmap_read_lock) that determines a potential PMD
> > > collapse, an alloc phase (mmap unlocked), then finally heavier collapse
> > > phase (mmap_write_lock).
> > >
> > > To enabled mTHP collapse we make the following changes:
> > >
> > > During PMD scan phase, track occupied pages in a bitmap. When mTHP
> > > orders are enabled, we remove the restriction of max_ptes_none during the
> > > scan phase to avoid missing potential mTHP collapse candidates. Once we
> > > have scanned the full PMD range and updated the bitmap to track occupied
> > > pages, we use the bitmap to find the optimal mTHP size.
> > >
> > > Implement collapse_scan_bitmap() to perform binary recursion on the bitmap
> > > and determine the best eligible order for the collapse. A stack structure
> > > is used instead of traditional recursion to manage the search. This also
> > > prevents a traditional recursive approach when the kernel stack struct is
> > > limited. The algorithm recursively splits the bitmap into smaller chunks to
> > > find the highest order mTHPs that satisfy the collapse criteria. We start
> > > by attempting the PMD order, then moved on the consecutively lower orders
> > > (mTHP collapse). The stack maintains a pair of variables (offset, order),
>
> This is inaccurate, it's only consecutively smaller until you hit smallest then
> it starts bumping around 2 -> 3 -> 2 -> 3 -> 2 -> .. -> 4 -> 3 -> 2 -> 3 -> 2 -> 4 -> etc.
>
> More like consecutively smaller, then always trying for the smallest possible
> fit?
>
> Would be good to describe why we do this, presumably to get a best _fit_?
>
> > > indicating the number of PTEs from the start of the PMD, and the order of
> > > the potential collapse candidate.
> > >
> > > The algorithm for consuming the bitmap works as such:
> > > 1) push (0, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER) onto the stack
> > > 2) pop the stack
> > > 3) check if the number of set bits in that (offset,order) pair
> > > statisfy the max_ptes_none threshold for that order
> > > 4) if yes, attempt collapse
> > > 5) if no (or collapse fails), push two new stack items representing
> > > the left and right halves of the current bitmap range, at the
> > > next lower order
>
> I notice the ordering is wrong here, you actualy push the mid_offset first then
> the offset (e.g. 'right', then 'left'):
>
> collapse_mthp_stack_push(cc, &stack_size, mid_offset,
> next_order);
> collapse_mthp_stack_push(cc, &stack_size, offset,
> next_order);
>
> So that way you are popping the 'left' first then the 'right'.
>
> So seems you'll get:
>
> stack={0, 9}
>
> Pop (0, order=9):
>
> |----------------------------------------|
> |########################################|
> |----------------------------------------|
>
> stack={256, 8}, {0, 8}
>
> Pop (0, order=8):
>
> |--------------------|-------------------|
> |####################| |
> |--------------------|-------------------|
>
>
> stack={256, 8}, {128, 7}, {0, 7}
>
> Pop (0, order=7):
>
> |----------|-----------------------------|
> |##########| |
> |----------|-----------------------------|
>
> stack={256, 8}, {128, 7}, {64, 6}, {0, 6}
>
> Pop (0, order=6):
>
> |----|-----------------------------------|
> |####| |
> |----|-----------------------------------|
>
> ...
>
> stack={256, 8}, ..., { 8, 3 }, {0, 2}
>
> Pop (0, order=2):
>
> |-|--------------------------------------|
> |#| |
> |-|--------------------------------------|
>
> Then finally :) we get the offsets :)
>
> stack={256, 8}, ..., {8, 3}, {4, 2}
>
> Pop (4, order=2):
>
> |-|-|------------------------------------|
> | |#| |
> |-|-|------------------------------------|
>
> stack={256, 8}, ..., { 12, 2 }, {8, 3}
(Shouldn't be {12, 2} there :)
> Pop (8, order=3):
>
> |---|--|---------------------------------|
> | |##| |
> |---|--|---------------------------------|
>
> stack={256, 8}, ..., { 12, 2 }, {12, 2}, {8, 2}
(Shouldn't duplicate {12, 2} there :)
>
> Pop (8, order=2):
>
> |---|-|----------------------------------|
> | |#| |
> |---|-|----------------------------------|
>
> etc.
>
>
> It seems to me that you're going to keep iterating down until you match an mTHP
> when a larger mTHP could have been had?
>
> So we're going:
>
> order 9 -> 8 -> 7 -> 6 -> ... -> 2 -> 3 -> 2 -> 4 -> 3 -> 2
>
> I guess the point is to avoid only getting the largest possible
>
>
>
>
> I guess if we did try to get the largest then we'd only get 2 of the largest
> possible then exhaust the whole PMD, should a PMD-sized entry not be possble.
>
> > > 6) repeat at step (2) until stack is empty.
> > >
> > > Below is a diagram representing the algorithm and stack items:
> > >
> > > offset mid_offset
> > > | |
> > > | |
> > > v v
> > > ____________________________________
> > > | PTE Page Table |
> > > --------------------------------------
> > > <-------><------->
> > > order-1 order-1
> >
> >
> > Reading this, it is unclear why exactly do we need the stack.
> >
> > Why can't you work with offset + cur_order?
> >
> > Initially,
> >
> > offset = 0;
> > cur_order = HPAGE_PMD_ORDER;
> >
> > If collapse succeeded, advance to next range.
> > If collapse failed, try next smaller order, keeping offset unchanged.
> >
> > if (failed && cur_order > KHUGEPAGED_MIN_MTHP_ORDER) {
> > /* Try next smaller order. */
> > cur_order = cur_order - 1;
>
> OK this matches the stack for the 0 offset entries...
>
> > } else {
> > /* Skip to next chunk. */
> > offset += 1 << cur_order;
> > cur_order = max_order_from_offset(offset);
>
> Then 1 << 2 -> 4 so go to offset=4.
>
> max_order_from_offset(4) = 2. so (4, offset=2) same as above.
>
> Then we'd loop back here and go to offset = 8, and max_order_from_offset(8) = 3
>
> And, yeah this seems equivalent.
>
> > }
>
> >
> > Of course, handling disabled orders. max_order_from_offset() is rather trivial
> > (natural buddy order, capped at HPAGE_PMD_ORDER).
>
> Something like?
>
> static unsigned long max_order_from_offset(unsigned long offset)
> {
> if (!offset)
> return HPAGE_PMD_ORDER;
>
> return ilog2(offset);
Oops, we need the LSB so ffs.
> }
>
> >
> > What's the benefit of the stack?
>
> Yeah it seems equivalent. Good idea!
>
> Thanks, Lorenzo
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Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-22 14:59 [PATCH mm-hotfixes-unstable v18 00/14] khugepaged: add mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2026-05-22 14:59 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 01/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize hugepage_vma_revalidate for mTHP support Nico Pache
2026-05-22 14:59 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 02/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize alloc_charge_folio() Nico Pache
2026-05-22 14:59 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 03/14] mm/khugepaged: rework max_ptes_* handling with helper functions Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 13:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 14:59 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 04/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize __collapse_huge_page_* for mTHP support Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:24 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-26 14:39 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 14:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 05/14] mm/khugepaged: require collapse_huge_page to enter/exit with the lock dropped Nico Pache
2026-06-01 14:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 10:26 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 06/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize collapse_huge_page for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:47 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-26 14:42 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-31 9:39 ` Lance Yang
2026-05-31 20:00 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 3:28 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 6:54 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 7:49 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 8:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 8:44 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 10:09 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 9:08 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 10:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 10:47 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 11:13 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 15:00 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 15:05 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 16:07 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-04 17:04 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-04 18:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 15:30 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-02 16:34 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-04 12:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 10:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 10:32 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-04 11:38 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 12:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 12:45 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-04 12:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 16:28 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 07/14] mm/khugepaged: skip collapsing mTHP to smaller orders Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:51 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 08/14] mm/khugepaged: add per-order mTHP collapse failure statistics Nico Pache
2026-05-31 20:09 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 14:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 09/14] mm/khugepaged: improve tracepoints for mTHP orders Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 10/14] mm/khugepaged: introduce collapse_allowable_orders helper function Nico Pache
2026-05-31 20:18 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 14:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01 14:40 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 11/14] mm/khugepaged: Introduce mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2026-05-25 14:15 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-25 19:10 ` Andrew Morton
2026-05-26 6:57 ` Wei Yang
2026-05-26 12:07 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-28 8:42 ` Wei Yang
2026-05-28 17:11 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-31 7:18 ` Lance Yang
2026-05-31 8:48 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-01 12:01 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 12:06 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 10:58 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-02 15:44 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-03 8:05 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04 14:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01 8:11 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 12:40 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 13:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 17:23 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-02 17:26 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-03 9:55 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-03 10:00 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-03 12:16 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-03 12:27 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04 14:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 14:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 13:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04 13:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2026-06-04 14:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 12/14] mm/khugepaged: avoid unnecessary mTHP collapse attempts Nico Pache
2026-05-31 7:31 ` Lance Yang
2026-05-31 20:02 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 1:53 ` Lance Yang
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 13/14] mm/khugepaged: run khugepaged for all orders Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:00 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v18 14/14] Documentation: mm: update the admin guide for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:58 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-26 12:00 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-26 14:45 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:07 ` [PATCH mm-hotfixes-unstable v18 00/14] khugepaged: add mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2026-05-22 15:13 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-22 16:11 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 21:13 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-26 8:33 ` Process (was Re: [PATCH mm-hotfixes-unstable v18 00/14] khugepaged: add mTHP) " Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-26 19:09 ` Andrew Morton
2026-05-26 20:42 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-31 19:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 15:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01 15:45 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 16:16 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 11:20 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 11:31 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 12:47 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 12:55 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-02 13:01 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 17:31 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-06-03 6:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-03 8:39 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-06-03 9:57 ` Mark Brown
2026-06-03 10:51 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-06-03 9:03 ` Mark Brown
2026-06-02 12:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 12:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 12:47 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-02 12:58 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 13:08 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-02 13:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-03 1:48 ` SeongJae Park
2026-06-01 15:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01 15:43 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-01 15:47 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01 16:00 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-22 15:16 ` [PATCH mm-hotfixes-unstable v18 00/14] khugepaged: add mTHP " Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 16:08 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 16:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 16:31 ` Nico Pache
2026-05-22 17:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-26 8:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 15:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 20:47 ` Andrew Morton
2026-06-01 15:58 ` Alexander Gordeev
2026-06-01 17:05 ` Nico Pache
2026-06-01 17:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 1:53 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-04 10:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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