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From: Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org, ljs@kernel.org,
	nico.pache@linux.dev, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
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	liam@infradead.org, mhocko@suse.com, rppt@kernel.org,
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	vbabka@kernel.org, ziy@nvidia.com, usama.anjum@arm.com,
	agordeev@linux.ibm.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
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	jannh@google.com, willy@infradead.org, pfalcato@suse.de,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, mhiramat@kernel.org,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 16/57] mm/collapse: freeze the sources behind migration entries
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 17:13:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f81160ac-0c7c-43f2-985f-43ab54a52358@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260824154921.GA863036@cmpxchg.org>



On 24/08/2026 16:49, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 03:13:10PM +0100, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 09:12:24PM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2026 at 11:45:28PM +0100, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
>>>> +		if (!folio_ref_freeze(folio,
>>>> +				      folio_expected_ref_count(folio) + 1)) {
>>>> +			result = SCAN_PAGE_COUNT;
>>>> +			goto unfreeze;
>>>> +		}
>>>> +		nr_frozen = nr_saved;
>>>
>>> Just one thing I was wondering about ... can deferred_split_isolate()
>>> remove a source folio from deferred_split_lru while its refcount is
>>> frozen by collapse_freeze_candidate()?
>>>
>>> Assume an earlier span belongs to an anonymous large folio on the
>>> deferred split queue, then a later span fails folio_trylock().
>>> collapse_freeze_candidate() continues after freezing each source folio
>>> and calls collapse_unfreeze_candidate() on a later failure:
>>>
>>> static noinline enum scan_result collapse_freeze_candidate(struct mm_struct *mm,
>>> 		struct collapse_candidate *cand, pte_t *pte)
>>> {
>>> ...
>>> 	for (i = 0, addr = cand->addr; i < nr_pages;) {
>>> ...
>>> 		if (!folio_trylock(folio)) {
>>> 			folio_put(folio);
>>> 			result = SCAN_PAGE_LOCK;
>>> 			goto unfreeze;
>>> 		}
>>> ...
>>> 		nr_saved = i + nr;
>>>
>>> 		if (!folio_ref_freeze(folio,
>>> 				      folio_expected_ref_count(folio) + 1)) {
>>> 			result = SCAN_PAGE_COUNT;
>>> 			goto unfreeze;
>>> 		}
>>> 		nr_frozen = nr_saved;
>>>
>>> 		i += nr;
>>> 		addr += nr * PAGE_SIZE;
>>> 	}
>>>
>>> ...
>>> unfreeze:
>>> 	collapse_unfreeze_candidate(mm, cand, pte, nr_saved, nr_frozen);
>>> 	return result;
>>> }
>>>
>>> folio_ref_freeze() takes the source folio's refcount to zero:
>>>
>>> static inline int folio_ref_freeze(struct folio *folio, int count)
>>> {
>>> 	return page_ref_freeze(&folio->page, count);
>>> }
>>>
>>> static inline int page_ref_freeze(struct page *page, int count)
>>> {
>>> 	int ret = likely(atomic_cmpxchg(&page->_refcount, count, 0) == count);
>>>
>>> ...
>>> 	return ret;
>>> }
>>>
>>> While collapse_freeze_candidate() still holds the source folio lock,
>>> deferred_split_scan() can call deferred_split_isolate():
>>>
>>> static unsigned long deferred_split_scan(struct shrinker *shrink,
>>> 		struct shrink_control *sc)
>>> {
>>> 	LIST_HEAD(dispose);
>>> 	struct folio *folio, *next;
>>> 	int split = 0;
>>> 	unsigned long isolated;
>>>
>>> 	isolated = list_lru_shrink_walk_irq(&deferred_split_lru, sc,
>>> 					    deferred_split_isolate, &dispose);
>>> }
>>>
>>> static enum lru_status deferred_split_isolate(struct list_head *item,
>>> 					      struct list_lru_one *lru,
>>> 					      void *cb_arg)
>>> {
>>> 	struct folio *folio = container_of(item, struct folio, _deferred_list);
>>> 	struct list_head *freeable = cb_arg;
>>>
>>> 	if (folio_try_get(folio)) {
>>> 		list_lru_isolate_move(lru, item, freeable);
>>> 		return LRU_REMOVED;
>>> 	}
>>>
>>> 	/*
>>> 	 * We lost race with folio_put(). Read folio state before the
>>> 	 * isolate: folio_unqueue_deferred_split() checks list_empty()
>>> 	 * locklessly, so once removed the folio can be freed any time.
>>> 	 */
>>> 	if (folio_test_partially_mapped(folio)) {
>>> 		folio_clear_partially_mapped(folio);
>>> 		mod_mthp_stat(folio_order(folio),
>>> 			      MTHP_STAT_NR_ANON_PARTIALLY_MAPPED, -1);
>>> 	}
>>> 	list_lru_isolate(lru, item);
>>> 	return LRU_REMOVED;
>>> }
>>>
>>> And folio_try_get() fails because the source folio has a frozen refcount.
>>> deferred_split_isolate() treats the failure as a race with folio_put(),
>>> clears PG_partially_mapped and its MTHP_STAT_NR_ANON_PARTIALLY_MAPPED
>>> accounting when set, then removes the folio from deferred_split_lru ...
>>
>> Hm. So, the premise in deferred_split_isolate() is false:
>> !folio_try_get() doesn't mean lost race with folio_put().
> 
> I suppose you mean, not exclusively. But it can also mean that. And
> then the question is, who cleans up the partially_mapped state.
> 
>> I think deferred_split_isolate() should do something like:
>>
>>       if (!folio_try_get(folio))
>>               return LRU_SKIP;
>>
>>       list_lru_isolate_move(lru, item, freeable);
>>       return LRU_REMOVED;
>>
>> Johannes, do I miss something?
> 
> Ah. The idea being: leave the item on the LRU when there is a race
> with the refcount going zero; and then it's up to that other side to
> deal with/clean up the partially_mapped state as appropriate. Thus:
> 
> folio_put()
>   __folio_put()
>     folio_unqueue_deferred_split()
>       if __list_lru_del():
>         // clear partially_mapped state & stats
> 
> will always succeed, even if it races with the shrinker. And you are
> also guaranteed on the collapse side that the state won't vanish from
> underneath you.
> 
> I think that should work. Usama?


Kiryl's suggestion makes sense. I think there is a bug here. If we dont
get the reference, whoever owns the reference should decide how partially_mapped
is treated for that folio:

- If its the last folio_put(), it will clear partially_mapped and cleanup
after itself.
- If its folio_ref_freeze(), clearing partially_mapped is wrong (which we
are currently doing in deferred_split_isolate)



  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-24 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-16 22:45 [RFC PATCH 00/57] mm/collapse: rebuild collapse on migration primitives Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 01/57] mm: add pte_folio() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-18 16:38   ` Rik van Riel
2026-08-18 18:13     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 20:04       ` Rik van Riel
2026-08-19  7:57         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 17:09   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 18:30     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-20 10:52     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 02/57] mm: add pte_none_or_zero() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-17 17:57   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-20 11:03     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 03/57] mm/collapse: add collapse.h for the shared collapse state Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-18 10:50   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-20 11:06     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-19 14:19   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-20 11:11     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 11:47       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-24 12:10         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 12:28           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-24 12:36             ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 14:09               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 15:18                 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 15:23                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 15:51                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 04/57] mm/collapse: rename mthp_present_ptes to eligible_ptes Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 05/57] mm/collapse: state what a collapse may do in the policy Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 06/57] mm/collapse: move the smallest collapse order to collapse.h Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 07/57] mm/collapse: sketch the new anonymous collapse engine Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 08/57] mm/collapse: scan a table for what a collapse could use Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24  8:39   ` Lance Yang
2026-08-24  9:36     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 09/57] mm/collapse: collect candidate windows into a round Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 10/57] mm/collapse: run a round and feed the outcomes back Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 11/57] mm/collapse: sketch the passes of a round Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 12/57] mm/collapse: allocate a destination per candidate Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 11:20   ` Lance Yang
2026-08-24 12:37     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 13/57] mm/collapse: revalidate a round against the VMA Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 14/57] mm/collapse: fault the sources in before the freeze Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 15/57] mm/collapse: check what a candidate would freeze Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 16/57] mm/collapse: freeze the sources behind migration entries Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 13:12   ` Lance Yang
2026-08-24 14:13     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 15:49       ` Johannes Weiner
2026-08-24 16:13         ` Usama Arif [this message]
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 17/57] mm/collapse: copy the sources into the destinations Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 18/57] mm/collapse: install the destinations at PTE level Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 19/57] mm/collapse: install a PMD leaf as the terminal layer Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 20/57] mm/collapse: put the sources back Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 21/57] mm/collapse: settle whatever the round reached Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 22/57] mm/collapse: walk a table with a selection cursor Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 23/57] mm/collapse: give a refused region a second chance Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 24/57] mm/collapse: report each candidate's outcome to tracing Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 25/57] mm/collapse: collapse anonymous memory with the new engine Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 26/57] mm/collapse: give collapse_single_pmd() the range to work on Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 27/57] mm/collapse: scan the windows a VMA can hold Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 28/57] mm/collapse: remove the mechanism the engine replaces Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 29/57] mm/collapse: move what a collapse is judged on into collapse.c Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 30/57] mm/collapse: name the max_ptes ceiling after collapse Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 31/57] mm/khugepaged: count collapses where khugepaged makes them Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 32/57] mm/collapse: move the file collapse into collapse.c Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 33/57] mm/collapse: split collapse into a scan and a run Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 34/57] mm/collapse: implement MADV_COLLAPSE in madvise.c Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 35/57] mm/madvise: drop MADV_COLLAPSE's redundant mm reference Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 36/57] mm/collapse: report what the scan found Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 37/57] mm/collapse: report what the fault-in pass paid Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 38/57] mm/collapse: report the round, and what it made faulters wait Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 39/57] mm/collapse: name the file collapse's tracepoints after collapse Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 40/57] mm/collapse: remove the tracepoints of the mechanism that is gone Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 41/57] mm/collapse: give collapse its own trace header Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 42/57] mm/collapse: allow error injection into the freeze Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 43/57] mm/khugepaged: check the scan budget before the work, not after Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 44/57] mm/khugepaged: hold the address space open across a scan Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 45/57] mm/collapse: take a per-VMA read lock for the round Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 46/57] mm/khugepaged: scan under a per-VMA read lock Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:45 ` [RFC PATCH 47/57] mm/madvise: collapse " Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 48/57] mm/collapse: assert the mm reference the engine relies on Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 49/57] mm/khugepaged: drop the mmap_lock barrier from __khugepaged_exit() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 50/57] selftests/mm: attribute collapses by candidate event alone Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 51/57] selftests/mm: cover collapse inside a sub-PMD VMA Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 52/57] selftests/mm: cover a hole-y window in " Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 53/57] selftests/mm: cover collapse of mlocked ranges Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 54/57] selftests/mm: cover collapse beside a MADV_FREE'd page Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 55/57] selftests/mm: cover collapse beside a pinned page Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 56/57] selftests/mm: cover the scaled max_ptes_shared limit Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-16 22:46 ` [RFC PATCH 57/57] MAINTAINERS: add an entry for collapse Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-17  8:04   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-17  8:08     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-17 10:12       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-17  2:02 ` [RFC PATCH 00/57] mm/collapse: rebuild collapse on migration primitives Zi Yan
2026-08-17 10:07   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-17  8:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-17 13:38   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-18 13:06     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:12       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 14:33         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-19 18:08         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 14:22           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 14:59             ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 17:00               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:15     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 14:41       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-19 18:22         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-19 18:14       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-18 13:55 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-19 17:09   ` Kiryl Shutsemau

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