From: Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com>
To: Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>, ast@kernel.org, andrii@kernel.org
Cc: daniel@iogearbox.net, jolsa@kernel.org, ihor.solodrai@linux.dev,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 bpf-next 03/18] libbpf: Support moving permuted BTF types into split BTF
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2026 08:33:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bd56c5cb-fe35-4ce6-91b1-d83fad7c422f@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98c9c5838b50871b3a138d2104450774268644b3.camel@gmail.com>
On 10/09/2026 10:37, Eduard Zingerman wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-09-01 at 17:57 +0100, Alan Maguire wrote:
>> Extend btf__permute() with an optional transfer mode. Type-map entries
>> marked with BTF_PERMUTE_ID_TRANSFER are removed from the input BTF and
>> copied into a newly-created split BTF returned through
>> btf_permute_opts.transfer_btf.
>>
>> While moving types, remap type IDs for both retained and transferred
>> types, preserving split-BTF references to the parent BTF where needed.
>>
>> String handling has to be done carefully as we do not want to have
>> strings that only exist in the split BTF to impose a cost on the base.
>> Copy referenced strings locally first, compact the parent string table
>> after the moved types are gone, rebase split-string offsets, and compact
>> the split string table. This leaves strings exclusively needed by moved
>> types in the split BTF while retaining shared strings in the parent.
>> This will be important later for function names of inline-only functions;
>> these should not take up space in base BTF but should have strings in
>> inline BTF only.
>>
>> This all provides the support needed to place inline-only BTF
>> in a separate BTF section, which resolve_btfids will use later.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com>
>> Assisted-by: Codex (GPT-5)
>> ---
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> What do you think about an alternative approach to permute and
> resolve_btfids changes described below?
>
> Instead of specifying a permute mapping can just rebuild two BTFs from
> scratch: base BTF w/o LOC types and .BTF.inline BTF with LOC types only.
> This would give strings dedup / compaction for free and would not
> require further changes in libbpf.
>
> Concretely, commit [1] (branch [2]) uses the following steps:
> - Traverse all types reachable from LOC_PARAM, LOC_PROTO, LOCSEC
> entries and mark them as having LOC color.
> - Traverse all types reachable from the remaining types
> and mark them as having MAIN or SHARED colors.
> - Create a new base BTF object and copy all MAIN/SHARED types there.
> - Create a new .BTF.inline object with base set to the new base BTF
> object, and copy all LOC types there.
>
> This seem to be on par with your current branch with regards to
> speed / memory usage:
>
> │ Version │ Elapsed, mean ± SEM │ Peak RSS, mean │
> ├─────────────────────────┼─────────────────────┼────────────────┤
> │ Original permute │ 338.8 ± 8.1 ms │ 71.20 MiB │
> │ Proposed │ 284.1 ± 10.2 ms │ 70.10 MiB │
>
> But seems a tad simpler in terms of implementation (~ -250 lines of code).
>
> I also changed how LOC-only FUNC objects are identified, by using a
> generic type graph traversal utility function (btf_mark_reachable()).
> This is a bit less code and opens a possibility to move some more
> types to .BTF.inline:
>
> │ Section │ Before (bytes) │ After │ Change │
> ├─────────────┼────────────────┼────────────────┼──────────┤
> │ .BTF │ 5,207,078 │ 5,047,510 │ −159,568 │
> │ .BTF.inline │ 9,867,471 │ 10,027,039 │ +159,568 │
>
> This is the same change, but when allowed to move regular types from
> base to .BTF.inline, if those types are not used by base.
>
> [1] https://github.com/eddyz87/bpf/commit/abe515962632ad51f8aa50e44354b88f80bbd606
> [2] https://github.com/eddyz87/bpf/tree/resolve-btf-ids-btf-inline
> (tests commit is 100% slop, please ignore it).
>
Thanks for doing this Eduard, it looks like a really neat solution! The permutation
approach - which is really a permute and a segmentation - felt a bit clunky and
doesn't feel like it belongs in libbpf really (it's a very specific problem).
I'll play around with this a bit more, and with your permission maybe we could
include it in the kbuild inline series? (I'm splitting up the work into the
libbpf/kernel location support needed for pahole, and a followup to add the
location info)
Thanks again!
Alan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-16 7:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-01 16:57 [PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/18] Support inline functions in BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 01/18] btf: Extend UAPI to support BTF location (inline site) info Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:17 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-14 17:26 ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:55 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-09 22:26 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-14 15:38 ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-11 19:26 ` Jiri Olsa
2026-09-14 14:29 ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-15 8:13 ` Jiri Olsa
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 02/18] libbpf: Add support for BTF kinds LOC[_PARAM|_PROTO|SEC] Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:11 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-09 22:26 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 03/18] libbpf: Support moving permuted BTF types into split BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:15 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 18:14 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-10 9:37 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-16 7:33 ` Alan Maguire [this message]
2026-09-16 7:45 ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 04/18] selftests/bpf: Test helper support for BTF_KIND_LOC[_PARAM|_PROTO|SEC] Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:06 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 05/18] selftests/bpf: Add LOC_PARAM, LOC_PROTO, LOCSEC to field iter tests Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 06/18] selftests/bpf: Add LOC_PARAM, LOC_PROTO, LOCSEC to dedup split tests Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:55 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 07/18] selftests/bpf: BTF distill tests to ensure LOC[_PARAM|_PROTO] add to split BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:55 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 08/18] selftests/bpf: Validate that btf__permute transfer works Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:16 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 09/18] bpftool: Handle multi-split BTF by supporting multiple base BTFs Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:13 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 10/18] bpftool: Document support for multi-split BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:12 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 11/18] bpftool: Add ability to dump LOC_PARAM, LOC_PROTO and LOCSEC Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:16 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-07 19:30 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 12/18] resolve_btfids: Extract inline BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 13/18] kbuild: Add support for BTF inline information Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:55 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-14 7:50 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-16 7:42 ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 14/18] btf: Make vmlinux, module inline info available in /sys/kernel/btf Alan Maguire
2026-09-07 19:34 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-07 19:50 ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-07 20:00 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 15/18] btf: Support CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF_INLINE=m Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:24 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 16/18] btf: Relocate inline BTF for modules with distilled base BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:29 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 17/18] selftests/bpf: Test BTF sysfs inline representations Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:22 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 18/18] selftests/bpf: Add a test verifying inline information Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:28 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55 ` bot+bpf-ci
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