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From: Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com>
To: Jiri Olsa <olsajiri@gmail.com>
Cc: ast@kernel.org, andrii@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net,
	eddyz87@gmail.com, ihor.solodrai@linux.dev,
	yonghong.song@linux.dev, song@kernel.org, qmo@kernel.org,
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	mcgrof@kernel.org, petr.pavlu@suse.com, tj@kernel.org,
	kees@kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org, nathan@kernel.org,
	nsc@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de, puranjay@kernel.org,
	yatsenko@meta.com, atenart@kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 bpf-next 01/18] btf: Extend UAPI to support BTF location (inline site) info
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:29:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eb560e37-0eb1-4f11-a9c8-866562b178ed@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqRVysZxIpP5lSOT@krava>

On 11/09/2026 20:26, Jiri Olsa wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2026 at 05: 57: 40PM +0100, Alan Maguire wrote: SNIP > + > +/* > + * BTF_KIND_LOC_PROTO specifies location prototypes; i. e. how locations relate > + * to parameters; a struct btf_type of BTF_KIND_LOC_PROTO is followed
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2026 at 05:57:40PM +0100, Alan Maguire wrote:
> 
> SNIP
> 
>> +
>> +/*
>> + * BTF_KIND_LOC_PROTO specifies location prototypes; i.e. how locations relate
>> + * to parameters; a struct btf_type of BTF_KIND_LOC_PROTO is followed by a
>> + * a vlen-specified number of __u32 BTF type ids which specify the associated
>> + * BTF_KIND_LOC_PARAM for each function parameter associated with the
>> + * location.  The type should either be 0 (no location info) or point at
>> + * a BTF_KIND_LOC_PARAM.
>> + */
>> +
>> +/*
>> + * BTF_KIND_LOCSEC consists of vlen-specified number of "struct btf_loc"
>> + * containing location site-specific information;
>> + *
>> + * - function (func)
>> + * - location prototype type id (loc_proto)
>> + * - address offset (offset) relative to kernel base address
>> + */
>> +
>> +struct btf_loc {
>> +	__u32 func;
>> +	__u32 loc_proto;
>> +	__u32 offset;
>> +};
> 
> would it be possible to include btf id of the immediate parent function?
> we have use cases for tracing just inlined function called from particular
> parent
> 
> I thought we could use the location offset for that, but because inline
> functions could be nested, this seems like hard search.. also we do not
> know the size of the inlined code, so not sure how reliable it'd be
> 
> I checked the dwarves code and I wonder we could instead store parent
> function (struct inline_expansion) during dwarf decoding and use that
> later to get parent function FUNC_ID and have:
> 
> 	struct btf_loc {
> 	     __u32 func;
> 	     __u32 parent;
> 	     __u32 loc_proto;
> 	     __u32 offset;
> 	};
> 
> wdyt? thanks,

hi Jiri,

So in the case of encoding the immediate parent it is quite expensive -
my concern is that adding it as an extra field is another 4 bytes per BTF
location, and because there are a lot of inline sites that would mean
somewhere in the region of 4 * 500000 = 2Mb extra. This is the tricky part
with this stuff; even small per-site tweaks really add up.

Is the immediacy of the parent-child relationship a dealbreaker for your
use-case? As you say the offset can tell us the function B was inlined
within the bounds of uninlined function A, but it won't tell us if it was
via function C. The other thing that complicates this is that an inlining
doesn't always have a size; it can be inlined in a non-contiguous manner.
So in some ways maybe the best we can do anyway is to be able to say a
function was inlined in a particular uninlined function?

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-14 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-01 16:57 [PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/18] Support inline functions in BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 01/18] btf: Extend UAPI to support BTF location (inline site) info Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:17   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-14 17:26     ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:55   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-09 22:26   ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-14 15:38     ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-11 19:26   ` Jiri Olsa
2026-09-14 14:29     ` Alan Maguire [this message]
2026-09-15  8:13       ` Jiri Olsa
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 02/18] libbpf: Add support for BTF kinds LOC[_PARAM|_PROTO|SEC] Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:11   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-09 22:26   ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 03/18] libbpf: Support moving permuted BTF types into split BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:15   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 18:14   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-10  9:37   ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-16  7:33     ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-16  7:45       ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 04/18] selftests/bpf: Test helper support for BTF_KIND_LOC[_PARAM|_PROTO|SEC] Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:06   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 05/18] selftests/bpf: Add LOC_PARAM, LOC_PROTO, LOCSEC to field iter tests Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 06/18] selftests/bpf: Add LOC_PARAM, LOC_PROTO, LOCSEC to dedup split tests Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:55   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 07/18] selftests/bpf: BTF distill tests to ensure LOC[_PARAM|_PROTO] add to split BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:55   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 08/18] selftests/bpf: Validate that btf__permute transfer works Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:16   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 09/18] bpftool: Handle multi-split BTF by supporting multiple base BTFs Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:13   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 10/18] bpftool: Document support for multi-split BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:12   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 11/18] bpftool: Add ability to dump LOC_PARAM, LOC_PROTO and LOCSEC Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:16   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-07 19:30   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 12/18] resolve_btfids: Extract inline BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:23   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 13/18] kbuild: Add support for BTF inline information Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:55   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-14  7:50   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-16  7:42     ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 14/18] btf: Make vmlinux, module inline info available in /sys/kernel/btf Alan Maguire
2026-09-07 19:34   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-07 19:50     ` Alan Maguire
2026-09-07 20:00       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 15/18] btf: Support CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF_INLINE=m Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:24   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 16/18] btf: Relocate inline BTF for modules with distilled base BTF Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:29   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 17/18] selftests/bpf: Test BTF sysfs inline representations Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:22   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-01 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 18/18] selftests/bpf: Add a test verifying inline information Alan Maguire
2026-09-01 17:28   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-01 17:55   ` bot+bpf-ci

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