Re[6]: Linux Help

Re[6]: Linux Help

[Kev]

Hi guys...

i'm going to do the follwing as a 1st step,

i got a Debian 3 (woody) basic 1 CD and i'm going to have postfix as the
SMTP relay.... the BOX is a Cyrix 233Mhz with 64MB ram, (Compaq Presario)
4GB HDD with 2 Lan Cards

i'm going to install Webmin 1.5, and also DHCP for Debian that comes
with Debian (on the web site) 

do you gusy thing i can do this with a basic Debian instalation or
should i download all other CD's from the site ? now the commands like
setup on Redhat dont work, how come ? do i need to install any thing
else ?

leter on i'm going to install a 2nd HDD and Squid and BIND and some AV
for the email relay, and the RAM to 256MB.

if any one can give me the basic how to do this, or a link to some sites
(Linux for Dummies :-)

i know i sound really dumb, well i really dont know much about linux
sorry !!! 






On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:07:44 +0100
Glynn Clements <glynn.clements@virgin.net> wrote:

>--> 
>--> Kev wrote:
>--> 
>--> > i was just saying what i will be running on the server, i was asking if
>--> > i can run all that on a P1/166Mhz
>--> 
>--> It depends upon the amount of network traffic.
>--> 
>--> Networking daemons (and the IP filtering code) only consume CPU time
>--> when they're actually doing something, and the amount of CPU time used
>--> is roughly proportional to the amount of work they have to do.
>--> 
>--> Try it. If the load average is consistently high, you need a faster
>--> CPU. If the hard disk is always busy, you need more RAM. If the box is
>--> mostly idle but it still seems too slow, you need a faster Internet
>--> connection.
>--> 
>--> -- 
>--> Glynn Clements <glynn.clements@virgin.net>
>--> 

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Re[6]: Linux Help

[Ray Olszewski]

At 09:20 PM 7/20/2004 +0600, Kev wrote:
>Hi guys...

Kev -- It's generally considered discourteous to cross-post messages to 
multiple mailing lists. In this instance, I've removed the linux-admin 
posting from my reply.

>i'm going to do the follwing as a 1st step,
>
>i got a Debian 3 (woody) basic 1 CD and i'm going to have postfix as the
>SMTP relay.... the BOX is a Cyrix 233Mhz with 64MB ram, (Compaq Presario)
>4GB HDD with 2 Lan Cards

If you plan to add Web caching to this system (as you mentioned in an 
earlier emssage), I think you'll find 64 MB to be too little memory for 
good performance.  Everything else should be fine.

In Linux, default installs do NOT automatically enable DMA on hard disks. 
You'll want to do that in an init script (using the app hdparm, from the 
Debian package hdparm).

In my prior reply, I didn't list postfix among the SMTP candidates, but it 
is another good one, so should be fine for your purposes (though I myself 
have no recent experience using it).

>i'm going to install Webmin 1.5, and also DHCP for Debian that comes
>with Debian (on the web site)
>
>do you gusy thing i can do this with a basic Debian instalation or
>should i download all other CD's from the site ?

The usual way to maintain a Debian system after setup is by doing online 
updates. In fact, unless you have an awful Internet connection, that's 
usually the best way to install. That is, get a set of boot floppies (or a 
boot CD, depending on your hardware), install the (very small) Debian base 
from it, then use apt-get to add the packages you need from an online 
repository.

This approach will assure that you get the latest versions of things 
(Debian CDs, like pretty much all Linux distro CDs, aren't updated anywhere 
nearly as regularly as the online repositories). In particular, it will 
makes sure that you get all security upgrades ... VERY important for any 
system that is connected directly to the Internet (as a router is).

>now the commands like
>setup on Redhat dont work, how come ? do i need to install any thing
>else ?

If you are asking why a particular command specific to Red Hat doesn't work 
on a Debian install, then the answer is probably that Debian doesn't 
include the app or the script that implements the command. Not being a Red 
Hat user, I don't know what "setup" on a default RH install does.

If you are asking a more general question, you'lll have to be more clear 
... I have no way of knowing what Debian commands you think are "like setup 
on Redhat". Also what "now" referred to, and if "dont work" means anything 
more subtle than that the command itself is not present.

>leter on i'm going to install a 2nd HDD and Squid and BIND and some AV
>for the email relay, and the RAM to 256MB.

All easy to do using Debian's apt-get and apt-cache package management 
system. (Except I don't know what "some AV for the email relay" means ... I 
can't parse "AV" in this context.) The extra RAM should handle your Web 
caching needs quite nicely. I'm not sure if you'll need the second hard 
disk ... it depends on traffic volumes (SMTP and Web caching).

>if any one can give me the basic how to do this, or a link to some sites
>(Linux for Dummies :-)

The Debian installer itself should walk you through the installation 
process. The big gotcha to watch out for is NIC modules ... you don't say 
what NICs you are using, and stock Debian Linux kernels only support the 
most common ones directly. For others, you'll have to install kernel 
modules ... the installer prompts you to do this, but it doesn't help you 
identify the ones you need.

Last time I checked, the Debian install process still used an old kernel 
(2.2.something). Once you have the system configured, and before you set it 
up to route and firewall, you'll want to update to a newer kernel ... at 
least 2.4.whatever_is_current, maybe even 2.6.something. Unless you want to 
compile you own kernel (a good idea for a router, but maybe not such a good 
idea for a beginner), you apt-get install a suitable kernel-image-* package.


>i know i sound really dumb, well i really dont know much about linux
>sorry !!!


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Re[7]: Linux Help

[Kev]

sorry about the 2 maling lists :)

>--> If you plan to add Web caching to this system (as you mentioned in an 
>--> earlier emssage), I think you'll find 64 MB to be too little memory for 
>--> good performance.  Everything else should be fine.

will be going for 256MB once i install Squid

LAN Card are Realtec both same model , a comm one but cant remember the
exact model tho, sorry

>--> system. (Except I don't know what "some AV for the email relay" means ... I 
>--> can't parse "AV" in this context.) The extra RAM should handle your Web 

AV = AntiVirus for the SMTP relay.
but not sure what i'm going to use.





On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:55:32 -0700
Ray Olszewski <ray@comarre.com> wrote:

>--> At 09:20 PM 7/20/2004 +0600, Kev wrote:
>--> >Hi guys...
>--> 
>--> Kev -- It's generally considered discourteous to cross-post messages to 
>--> multiple mailing lists. In this instance, I've removed the linux-admin 
>--> posting from my reply.
>--> 
>--> >i'm going to do the follwing as a 1st step,
>--> >
>--> >i got a Debian 3 (woody) basic 1 CD and i'm going to have postfix as the
>--> >SMTP relay.... the BOX is a Cyrix 233Mhz with 64MB ram, (Compaq Presario)
>--> >4GB HDD with 2 Lan Cards
>--> 
>--> If you plan to add Web caching to this system (as you mentioned in an 
>--> earlier emssage), I think you'll find 64 MB to be too little memory for 
>--> good performance.  Everything else should be fine.
>--> 
>--> In Linux, default installs do NOT automatically enable DMA on hard disks. 
>--> You'll want to do that in an init script (using the app hdparm, from the 
>--> Debian package hdparm).
>--> 
>--> In my prior reply, I didn't list postfix among the SMTP candidates, but it 
>--> is another good one, so should be fine for your purposes (though I myself 
>--> have no recent experience using it).
>--> 
>--> >i'm going to install Webmin 1.5, and also DHCP for Debian that comes
>--> >with Debian (on the web site)
>--> >
>--> >do you gusy thing i can do this with a basic Debian instalation or
>--> >should i download all other CD's from the site ?
>--> 
>--> The usual way to maintain a Debian system after setup is by doing online 
>--> updates. In fact, unless you have an awful Internet connection, that's 
>--> usually the best way to install. That is, get a set of boot floppies (or a 
>--> boot CD, depending on your hardware), install the (very small) Debian base 
>--> from it, then use apt-get to add the packages you need from an online 
>--> repository.
>--> 
>--> This approach will assure that you get the latest versions of things 
>--> (Debian CDs, like pretty much all Linux distro CDs, aren't updated anywhere 
>--> nearly as regularly as the online repositories). In particular, it will 
>--> makes sure that you get all security upgrades ... VERY important for any 
>--> system that is connected directly to the Internet (as a router is).
>--> 
>--> >now the commands like
>--> >setup on Redhat dont work, how come ? do i need to install any thing
>--> >else ?
>--> 
>--> If you are asking why a particular command specific to Red Hat doesn't work 
>--> on a Debian install, then the answer is probably that Debian doesn't 
>--> include the app or the script that implements the command. Not being a Red 
>--> Hat user, I don't know what "setup" on a default RH install does.
>--> 
>--> If you are asking a more general question, you'lll have to be more clear 
>--> ... I have no way of knowing what Debian commands you think are "like setup 
>--> on Redhat". Also what "now" referred to, and if "dont work" means anything 
>--> more subtle than that the command itself is not present.
>--> 
>--> >leter on i'm going to install a 2nd HDD and Squid and BIND and some AV
>--> >for the email relay, and the RAM to 256MB.
>--> 
>--> All easy to do using Debian's apt-get and apt-cache package management 
>--> system. (Except I don't know what "some AV for the email relay" means ... I 
>--> can't parse "AV" in this context.) The extra RAM should handle your Web 
>--> caching needs quite nicely. I'm not sure if you'll need the second hard 
>--> disk ... it depends on traffic volumes (SMTP and Web caching).
>--> 
>--> >if any one can give me the basic how to do this, or a link to some sites
>--> >(Linux for Dummies :-)
>--> 
>--> The Debian installer itself should walk you through the installation 
>--> process. The big gotcha to watch out for is NIC modules ... you don't say 
>--> what NICs you are using, and stock Debian Linux kernels only support the 
>--> most common ones directly. For others, you'll have to install kernel 
>--> modules ... the installer prompts you to do this, but it doesn't help you 
>--> identify the ones you need.
>--> 
>--> Last time I checked, the Debian install process still used an old kernel 
>--> (2.2.something). Once you have the system configured, and before you set it 
>--> up to route and firewall, you'll want to update to a newer kernel ... at 
>--> least 2.4.whatever_is_current, maybe even 2.6.something. Unless you want to 
>--> compile you own kernel (a good idea for a router, but maybe not such a good 
>--> idea for a beginner), you apt-get install a suitable kernel-image-* package.
>--> 
>--> 
>--> >i know i sound really dumb, well i really dont know much about linux
>--> >sorry !!!
>--> 
>--> 
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Re[7]: Linux Help

[Ray Olszewski]

At 10:26 PM 7/20/2004 +0600, Kev wrote:
[...]
>LAN Card are Realtec both same model , a comm one but cant remember the
>exact model tho, sorry

If memory serves (I'm not certain, though), the stock Debian install kernel 
does NOT contain support for NICs that use the rtl8139 driver (or the newer 
8139too driver). If that's the "comm one" you are referring to, you will 
need to add a module for it to do an online install.

> >--> system. (Except I don't know what "some AV for the email relay" 
> means ... I
> >--> can't parse "AV" in this context.) The extra RAM should handle your Web
>
>AV = AntiVirus for the SMTP relay.
>but not sure what i'm going to use.

Ah. I guess that's why words communicate better than made-up abbreviations 
(for me, AV = audio-visual, but that made no sense in context).

I just skimmed the Debian package list (for Sid; Woody will be less 
complete or current) and found that postfix has these associated packages:

         amavis-ng - AMaViS "Next Generation"
         amavisd-new - Interface between MTA and virus scanner/content filters
         amavisd-new-milter - Interface between sendmail-milter and amavisd-new

         postgrey - Greylisting implementation for Postfix
         webmin-postfix - postfix control module for webmin

Not having used any of this stuff myself, I can neither recommend nor 
criticize it ... just let you know it is (probably) there, for you to take 
a look at.



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Re[8]: Linux Help

[Kev]

>If memory serves (I'm not certain, though), the stock Debian install kernel 
>does NOT contain support for NICs that use the rtl8139 driver (or the newer 
>8139too driver). If that's the "comm one" you are referring to, you will 
>need to add a module for it to do an online install.

LAN cards are both, Realtek RTL8139

:(


On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:54:41 -0700
Ray Olszewski <ray@comarre.com> wrote:

>At 10:26 PM 7/20/2004 +0600, Kev wrote:
>[...]
>>LAN Card are Realtec both same model , a comm one but cant remember the
>>exact model tho, sorry
>
>If memory serves (I'm not certain, though), the stock Debian install kernel 
>does NOT contain support for NICs that use the rtl8139 driver (or the newer 
>8139too driver). If that's the "comm one" you are referring to, you will 
>need to add a module for it to do an online install.
>
>> >--> system. (Except I don't know what "some AV for the email relay" 
>> means ... I
>> >--> can't parse "AV" in this context.) The extra RAM should handle your Web
>>
>>AV = AntiVirus for the SMTP relay.
>>but not sure what i'm going to use.
>
>Ah. I guess that's why words communicate better than made-up abbreviations 
>(for me, AV = audio-visual, but that made no sense in context).
>
>I just skimmed the Debian package list (for Sid; Woody will be less 
>complete or current) and found that postfix has these associated packages:
>
>         amavis-ng - AMaViS "Next Generation"
>         amavisd-new - Interface between MTA and virus scanner/content filters
>         amavisd-new-milter - Interface between sendmail-milter and amavisd-new
>
>         postgrey - Greylisting implementation for Postfix
>         webmin-postfix - postfix control module for webmin
>
>Not having used any of this stuff myself, I can neither recommend nor 
>criticize it ... just let you know it is (probably) there, for you to take 
>a look at.
>
>
>
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Re[8]: Linux Help

[James Miller]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Kev wrote:

> >If memory serves (I'm not certain, though), the stock Debian install kernel
> >does NOT contain support for NICs that use the rtl8139 driver (or the newer
> >8139too driver). If that's the "comm one" you are referring to, you will
> >need to add a module for it to do an online install.
>
> LAN cards are both, Realtek RTL8139

I know I'm being timorous for questioning your memory here Ray, but I'm
almost sure when I did my Debian install here (starting from floppies) on
my machine that has an onboard rtl8139 NIC, I did get network support
without loading of additional modules.  If I'm wrong - well, what do you
expect from a newbie? :)

James
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Re[8]: Linux Help

[Ray Olszewski]

At 12:08 PM 7/20/2004 -0500, James Miller wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Kev wrote:
>
> > >If memory serves (I'm not certain, though), the stock Debian install 
> kernel
> > >does NOT contain support for NICs that use the rtl8139 driver (or the 
> newer
> > >8139too driver). If that's the "comm one" you are referring to, you will
> > >need to add a module for it to do an online install.
> >
> > LAN cards are both, Realtek RTL8139
>
>I know I'm being timorous for questioning your memory here Ray, but I'm
>almost sure when I did my Debian install here (starting from floppies) on
>my machine that has an onboard rtl8139 NIC, I did get network support
>without loading of additional modules.  If I'm wrong - well, what do you
>expect from a newbie? :)

About as much as I expect from an old timer with a failing memory. (That's 
why I said I wasn't certsin when I posted it ... being lazy, these days I 
*always* put a tulip-based NIC in any system I am setting up, then switch 
to its "real" NIC after I have the kernel I actually want to use on the 
system installed.)



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Re[9]: Linux Help

[Kev]

FOUND IT

> Realtec ? Maybe 8139too or 8139cp... RealTek RTL-8029 ? that is ne ... .
> ( ne is generally a module I constantly try because NE1/2000 are widely
> used :) ). 
> 
Oh well, command is "modprobe 8139too" or "modprobe 8139cp" or "modrpobe
ne" ... after you found out which one works, put it into /etc/modules.

THANKS GUYS !!!!!


On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:28:31 -0700
Ray Olszewski <ray@comarre.com> wrote:

>At 12:08 PM 7/20/2004 -0500, James Miller wrote:
>>On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Kev wrote:
>>
>> > >If memory serves (I'm not certain, though), the stock Debian install 
>> kernel
>> > >does NOT contain support for NICs that use the rtl8139 driver (or the 
>> newer
>> > >8139too driver). If that's the "comm one" you are referring to, you will
>> > >need to add a module for it to do an online install.
>> >
>> > LAN cards are both, Realtek RTL8139
>>
>>I know I'm being timorous for questioning your memory here Ray, but I'm
>>almost sure when I did my Debian install here (starting from floppies) on
>>my machine that has an onboard rtl8139 NIC, I did get network support
>>without loading of additional modules.  If I'm wrong - well, what do you
>>expect from a newbie? :)
>
>About as much as I expect from an old timer with a failing memory. (That's 
>why I said I wasn't certsin when I posted it ... being lazy, these days I 
>*always* put a tulip-based NIC in any system I am setting up, then switch 
>to its "real" NIC after I have the kernel I actually want to use on the 
>system installed.)
>
>
>
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Re: Re[8]: Linux Help

[Peter Garrett]

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 03:01, Kev wrote:
> >If memory serves (I'm not certain, though), the stock Debian install kernel 
> >does NOT contain support for NICs that use the rtl8139 driver (or the newer 
> >8139too driver). If that's the "comm one" you are referring to, you will 
> >need to add a module for it to do an online install.
> 
> LAN cards are both, Realtek RTL8139
> 
> :(
> 
> 
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:54:41 -0700
> Ray Olszewski <ray@comarre.com> wrote:
> 
> >At 10:26 PM 7/20/2004 +0600, Kev wrote:
> >[...]
> >>LAN Card are Realtec both same model , a comm one but cant remember the
> >>exact model tho, sorry
> >
> >If memory serves (I'm not certain, though), the stock Debian install kernel 
> >does NOT contain support for NICs that use the rtl8139 driver (or the newer 
> >8139too driver). If that's the "comm one" you are referring to, you will 
> >need to add a module for it to do an online install.
> >
> >> >--> system. (Except I don't know what "some AV for the email relay" 
> >> means ... I
> >> >--> can't parse "AV" in this context.) The extra RAM should handle your Web
> >>
> >>AV = AntiVirus for the SMTP relay.
> >>but not sure what i'm going to use.
> >
> >Ah. I guess that's why words communicate better than made-up abbreviations 
> >(for me, AV = audio-visual, but that made no sense in context).
> >
> >I just skimmed the Debian package list (for Sid; Woody will be less 
> >complete or current) and found that postfix has these associated packages:
> >
> >         amavis-ng - AMaViS "Next Generation"
> >         amavisd-new - Interface between MTA and virus scanner/content filters
> >         amavisd-new-milter - Interface between sendmail-milter and amavisd-new
> >
> >         postgrey - Greylisting implementation for Postfix
> >         webmin-postfix - postfix control module for webmin
> >
> >Not having used any of this stuff myself, I can neither recommend nor 
> >criticize it ... just let you know it is (probably) there, for you to take 
> >a look at.

If you are installing Debian, you might want to look here: 

>http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1

and here:

http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

and I would recommend:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
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