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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Hans-Peter Jansen <hpj-2x7n3sizJbFeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Aaron Straus <aaron-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [NFS] blocks of zeros (NULLs) in NFS files in kernels >= 2.6.20
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:35:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1222101322.7615.6.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200809221805.48463.hpj-2x7n3sizJbFeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 18:05 +0200, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
> For what is worth, this behavior is visible in bog standard writing/reading 
> files, (log files in my case, via the python logging package). It obviously 
> deviates from local filesystem behavior, and former state of the linux 
> nfs-client. Should we add patches to less, tail, and all other instruments 
> for watching/analysing log files (just to pick the tip of the ice rock) in 
> order to throw away runs of zeros, when reading from nfs mounted files? Or 
> should we ask their maintainers to add locking code for the nfs "read 
> files, which are written at the same time" case, just to work around 
> __some__ of the consequences of this bug? Imagine, how ugly this is going 
> to look! 
> 
> The whole issue is what I call a major regression, thus I strongly ask for a 
> reply from Trond on this matter.
> 
> I even vote for sending a revert request for this hunk to the stable team, 
> where it is applicable, after Trond sorted it out (for 2.6.27?).
> 
> Thanks, Aaron and Chuck for the detailed analysis - it demystified a wired 
> behavior, I observed here. When you're in a process to get real work done 
> in a fixed timeline, such things could make you mad..

Revert _what_ exactly?

Please assume that I've been travelling for the past 5 weeks, and have
only a sketchy idea of what has been going on.
My understanding was that this is a consequence of unordered writes
causing the file to be extended while some other task is reading.
AFAICS, this sort of behaviour has _always_ been possible. I can't see
how reverting anything will fix it.

  Trond


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-22 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-05 19:19 [NFS] blocks of zeros (NULLs) in NFS files in kernels >= 2.6.20 Aaron Straus
     [not found] ` <20080905191939.GG22796-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-05 19:56   ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-05 20:04     ` Aaron Straus
     [not found]       ` <20080905200455.GH22796-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-05 20:36         ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-05 22:14           ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-06  0:03     ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-08 19:02     ` Aaron Straus
     [not found]       ` <20080908190212.GF28123-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-08 21:15         ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]           ` <76bd70e30809081415h6b55a8dfl8171634c576ac946-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-08 22:02             ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-09 19:46             ` Aaron Straus
     [not found]               ` <20080909194644.GI5290-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-11 16:55                 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-11 17:19                   ` Aaron Straus
     [not found]                     ` <20080911171908.GE12037-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-11 17:48                       ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-11 18:49                         ` Aaron Straus
     [not found]                           ` <20080911184951.GB19054-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 16:05                             ` Hans-Peter Jansen
     [not found]                               ` <200809221805.48463.hpj-2x7n3sizJbFeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 16:35                                 ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2008-09-22 17:04                                   ` Aaron Straus
     [not found]                                     ` <20080922170414.GC12483-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 17:26                                       ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                         ` <76bd70e30809221026g7bde774pbffa35881682ea4b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 17:37                                           ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-22 17:29                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2008-09-22 17:45                                         ` Aaron Straus
     [not found]                                           ` <20080922174525.GF12483-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 18:43                                             ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-22 18:45                                             ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2008-09-22 18:45                                   ` Hans-Peter Jansen

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