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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Linux NFS Mailing list <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	SystemTAP <systemtap@sources.redhat.com>,
	Linux NFSv4 mailing list <nfsv4@linux-nfs.org>,
	Greg Banks <gnb@melbourne.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/5] NFS: trace points added to mounting path
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:57:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1232578666.7692.98.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090121224740.GC5184@ghostprotocols.net>

On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 20:47 -0200, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
> Em Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:36:53AM +1100, Greg Banks escreveu:
> > Chuck Lever wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I think we need to visit this issue on a case-by-case basis.   
> > > Sometimes dprintk is appropriate.  Sometimes printk(KERN_ERR).   
> > > Sometimes a performance metric.
> > Well said.
> > 
> > > Trond has always maintained that dprintk() is best for developers, but  
> > > probably inappropriate for field debugging,
> > It's not a perfect tool but it beats nothing at all.
> > >  and I think that may also  
> > > apply to trace points.  
> > It depends on whether distros can be convinced to enable it by default,
> > and install by default any necessary userspace infrastructure.   The
> > most important thing for field debugging is Just Knowing that you have
> > all the bits necessary to perform useful debugging without having to
> > find some RPM that matches the kernel that the machine is actually
> > running now, and not the one that was present when the machine was
> > installed.
> 
> Exactly, that is why an ftrace plugin, that only when selected using
> echo "nfs" > /debug/tracing/current_tracer will activate the tracepoints
> and provide output via /debug/tracing/trace or /deb/tracing/trace_pipe,
> possibly combined with other ftrace plugins such as the stacktrace,
> blktrace, etc.
> 
> I.e. no need at all for any matching userspace tool, near zero impact
> when not activated, useful, if done right, for both developers and for
> admins.
> 
> Again, an example can be found in the blktrace ftrace plugin[1], that
> instead of adding a requirement will eventually drop an existing, well
> established one (blktrace(8)).

I must be missing something. Exactly what functionality does this then
give us that we don't have already with the existing RPC/NFS dprintk()
scheme?

Trond

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-21 22:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-16 16:22 [RFC][PATCH 0/5] NFS: trace points added to mounting path Steve Dickson
2009-01-16 16:30 ` [PATCH 3/5] NFS: Adding trace points to nfs/client.c Steve Dickson
2009-01-16 16:32 ` [PATCH 4/5] NFS: Convert trace points to trace markers Steve Dickson
2009-01-16 16:33 ` [PATCH 5/5] NFS: Systemtap script Steve Dickson
     [not found] ` <4970B451.4080201-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-16 16:25   ` [PATCH 1/5] NFS: Adding trace points to fs/nfs/getroot.c Steve Dickson
2009-01-16 16:28   ` [PATCH 2/5] NFS: Adding trace points to fs/nfs/super.c Steve Dickson
2009-01-16 18:52   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] NFS: trace points added to mounting path Chuck Lever
2009-01-21 17:13     ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]       ` <497757D1.7090908-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-21 18:01         ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-21 19:29           ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-21 19:58             ` Steve Dickson
2009-01-21 20:23               ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-22 13:07                 ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                   ` <49786F9F.7030400-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 15:30                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-22 15:49                       ` Steve Dickson
2009-01-22 17:47                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-01-21 19:37           ` Steve Dickson
2009-01-21 20:19             ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-21 22:36               ` Greg Banks
     [not found]                 ` <4977A385.8000406-cP1dWloDopni96+mSzHFpQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-21 22:47                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-01-21 22:57                     ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2009-01-21 23:06                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-01-21 22:56                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-21 23:11                     ` Greg Banks
2009-01-21 23:47                       ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-22  0:53                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-01-22  2:04                         ` Greg Banks
     [not found]                           ` <4977D431.1020906-cP1dWloDopni96+mSzHFpQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 15:27                             ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                               ` <49789073.1080200-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 22:43                                 ` Greg Banks
2009-01-21 22:56                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-21 23:05                     ` Muntz, Daniel
2009-01-22 15:59                     ` Steve Dickson
2009-01-22 16:45                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-22 22:54                         ` Greg Banks
     [not found]                           ` <4978F91C.4090208-cP1dWloDopni96+mSzHFpQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-23 18:09                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-23 22:18                               ` Greg Banks
2009-01-23 18:17                     ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-22 13:55               ` Steve Dickson
2009-01-22 22:31                 ` Greg Banks
2009-01-21 21:26           ` Greg Banks
2009-01-22 15:19             ` Steve Dickson
2009-01-23 18:28               ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-23 22:21                 ` Greg Banks
2009-01-16 23:44   ` Greg Banks
     [not found]     ` <49711BDF.3010605-cP1dWloDopni96+mSzHFpQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-17 16:15       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
     [not found]         ` <4972A8F5.7070806@opengridcomputing.com>
2009-01-18 17:47           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
     [not found]         ` <y0mmydpucww.fsf-vo4H8ooykKW2oG+2xah3EoGKTjYczspe@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-18 23:12           ` Greg Banks
     [not found]             ` <4973B777.2000102-cP1dWloDopni96+mSzHFpQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-19 15:41               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-01-19 23:13                 ` Greg Banks
2009-01-19 14:27       ` Jeff Moyer
     [not found]         ` <x49ab9ntlpp.fsf-RRHT56Q3PSP4kTEheFKJxxDDeQx5vsVwAInAS/Ez/D0@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-19 19:49           ` Jason Baron
2009-01-19 22:58             ` Greg Banks
2009-01-21 10:13           ` K.Prasad
2009-01-21 16:39             ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]               ` <49774FDC.5090307-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-21 17:04                 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-01-21 19:59                   ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                   ` <20090121170401.GD4394-f8uhVLnGfZaxAyOMLChx1axOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-21 20:39                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-18 16:40   ` Christoph Hellwig

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