From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Cc: Phil Endecott
<phil_bnaqb_endecott-wZDNlLIRyE5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Make sm-notify faster if there are no servers to notify
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:25:28 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081109192528.GE25568@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081029211145.GE1406@fieldses.org>
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:11:45PM -0400, bfields wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:30:32PM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
> > I assume sync() is required because this logic performs a rename as well
> > as a simple write?
>
> I think an fsync() on the containing directory (together with an fsync()
> of the file itself) would do the job if you wanted to avoid the globaly
> sync(). I don't think ext3 is capable of doing anything finer-grained
> than a whole-filesystem sync, though, so this doesn't help many people
> in practice right now.
>
> In any case, the rename adds an extra level of safety by ensuring the
> nsm state is updated atomically, so we shouldn't get rid of it.
>
> >> Anyway, I think the nsm state updating shouldn't matter if you don't
> >> even have any peers to notify.
> >
> > It probably does matter.
> >
> > When a system is initially installed, it likely does not have a state
> > file in /var/lib/nfs. This may be harmless if it's not present;
> > rpc.statd probably does the right thing in this case.
>
> The "right thing" in that case would be, I guess, to create a state file
> with "0" in it. It doesn't do that. So this patch *does* break stuff.
> Oops!
>
> So should we revert it and do something else, or patch statd to create
> a new state file if necessary?
It looks like this still needs to be fixed? I think it would be good
enough just to teach rpc.nfsd to create the file if it doesn't exist.
--b.
>
> > However, the rest of the logic in nsm_get_state() is needed to bump the
> > system's state value properly after every reboot. It may be
> > inconsequential if there were no mounts or no NFS clients during the
> > last reboot, but this is subtle. I wouldn't bet on it.
>
> If the state is only every communicated to hosts by notifications, then
> if we're not notifying, the update of the state can't matter.
>
> (So is that premise correct?)
>
> --b.
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Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-29 0:13 Make sm-notify faster if there are no servers to notify Phil Endecott
[not found] ` <1225239200402-YnoLgZYwwYuCbKHnblo0pmrPP3OPMK55cpQHUIT47Ck@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-29 17:18 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-29 17:30 ` Phil Endecott
[not found] ` <1225301403729-YnoLgZYwwYuCbKHnblo0pmrPP3OPMK55cpQHUIT47Ck@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-29 17:37 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-29 17:45 ` Phil Endecott
[not found] ` <1225302305994-YnoLgZYwwYuCbKHnblo0pmrPP3OPMK55cpQHUIT47Ck@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-29 18:41 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-29 20:30 ` Chuck Lever
2008-10-29 21:11 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-11-09 19:25 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2008-11-10 0:52 ` Chuck Lever
2008-11-10 0:55 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-11-10 1:00 ` Chuck Lever
2008-11-10 9:40 ` Phil Endecott
2008-11-10 13:41 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <49183A12.7010707-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-04 21:10 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 3:34 ` Neil Brown
[not found] ` <18744.41310.635618.148281-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-05 3:58 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 13:26 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <49392C14.7000709-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-05 16:38 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 17:29 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 18:41 ` Chuck Lever
2008-12-06 2:42 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-08 19:50 ` Chuck Lever
2008-12-11 22:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 19:12 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <49397D1B.3000701-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-06 2:49 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 18:42 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <4939760A.9050304-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-06 3:08 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-31 17:52 ` Steve Dickson
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