From: Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
Phil Endecott
<phil_bnaqb_endecott-wZDNlLIRyE5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Make sm-notify faster if there are no servers to notify
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:41:38 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49183A12.7010707@RedHat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081029211145.GE1406@fieldses.org>
J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:30:32PM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
>> I assume sync() is required because this logic performs a rename as well
>> as a simple write?
>
> I think an fsync() on the containing directory (together with an fsync()
> of the file itself) would do the job if you wanted to avoid the globaly
> sync(). I don't think ext3 is capable of doing anything finer-grained
> than a whole-filesystem sync, though, so this doesn't help many people
> in practice right now.
>
> In any case, the rename adds an extra level of safety by ensuring the
> nsm state is updated atomically, so we shouldn't get rid of it.
>
>>> Anyway, I think the nsm state updating shouldn't matter if you don't
>>> even have any peers to notify.
>> It probably does matter.
>>
>> When a system is initially installed, it likely does not have a state
>> file in /var/lib/nfs. This may be harmless if it's not present;
>> rpc.statd probably does the right thing in this case.
>
> The "right thing" in that case would be, I guess, to create a state file
> with "0" in it. It doesn't do that. So this patch *does* break stuff.
> Oops!
>
> So should we revert it and do something else, or patch statd to create
> a new state file if necessary?
I have to agree with Chuck, that managing the state file from one
place is desirable... Although does it make sense to move that management
into a init script? Maybe insuring the state is different before any
daemons are started? Would we still need the sync()?
>
>> However, the rest of the logic in nsm_get_state() is needed to bump the
>> system's state value properly after every reboot. It may be
>> inconsequential if there were no mounts or no NFS clients during the
>> last reboot, but this is subtle. I wouldn't bet on it.
>
> If the state is only every communicated to hosts by notifications, then
> if we're not notifying, the update of the state can't matter.
I had the same notion... If there are no clients to notify, why would
any clients care if our state changed?? With that said.... I do have a
sinking feeling that this patch will come back to bite us...
It was just too easy of a fix... :-)
steved.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-11-10 13:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-29 0:13 Make sm-notify faster if there are no servers to notify Phil Endecott
[not found] ` <1225239200402-YnoLgZYwwYuCbKHnblo0pmrPP3OPMK55cpQHUIT47Ck@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-29 17:18 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-29 17:30 ` Phil Endecott
[not found] ` <1225301403729-YnoLgZYwwYuCbKHnblo0pmrPP3OPMK55cpQHUIT47Ck@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-29 17:37 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-29 17:45 ` Phil Endecott
[not found] ` <1225302305994-YnoLgZYwwYuCbKHnblo0pmrPP3OPMK55cpQHUIT47Ck@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-29 18:41 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-29 20:30 ` Chuck Lever
2008-10-29 21:11 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-11-09 19:25 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-11-10 0:52 ` Chuck Lever
2008-11-10 0:55 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-11-10 1:00 ` Chuck Lever
2008-11-10 9:40 ` Phil Endecott
2008-11-10 13:41 ` Steve Dickson [this message]
[not found] ` <49183A12.7010707-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-04 21:10 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 3:34 ` Neil Brown
[not found] ` <18744.41310.635618.148281-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-05 3:58 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 13:26 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <49392C14.7000709-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-05 16:38 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 17:29 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 18:41 ` Chuck Lever
2008-12-06 2:42 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-08 19:50 ` Chuck Lever
2008-12-11 22:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 19:12 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <49397D1B.3000701-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-06 2:49 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 18:42 ` Steve Dickson
[not found] ` <4939760A.9050304-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-06 3:08 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-31 17:52 ` Steve Dickson
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