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From: Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Phil Endecott
	<phil_bnaqb_endecott-wZDNlLIRyE5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Make sm-notify faster if there are no servers to notify
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:41:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49183A12.7010707@RedHat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081029211145.GE1406@fieldses.org>

J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:30:32PM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
>> I assume sync() is required because this logic performs a rename as well 
>> as a simple write?
> 
> I think an fsync() on the containing directory (together with an fsync()
> of the file itself) would do the job if you wanted to avoid the globaly
> sync().  I don't think ext3 is capable of doing anything finer-grained
> than a whole-filesystem sync, though, so this doesn't help many people
> in practice right now.
> 
> In any case, the rename adds an extra level of safety by ensuring the
> nsm state is updated atomically, so we shouldn't get rid of it.
> 
>>> Anyway, I think the nsm state updating shouldn't matter if you don't
>>> even have any peers to notify.
>> It probably does matter.
>>
>> When a system is initially installed, it likely does not have a state  
>> file in /var/lib/nfs.  This may be harmless if it's not present;  
>> rpc.statd probably does the right thing in this case.
> 
> The "right thing" in that case would be, I guess, to create a state file
> with "0" in it.  It doesn't do that.  So this patch *does* break stuff.
> Oops!
> 
> So should we revert it and do something else, or patch statd to create
> a new state file if necessary?
I have to agree with Chuck, that managing the state file from one 
place is desirable... Although does it make sense to move that management
into a init script? Maybe insuring the state is different before any
daemons are started? Would we still need the sync()? 
  
> 
>> However, the rest of the logic in nsm_get_state() is needed to bump the 
>> system's state value properly after every reboot.  It may be  
>> inconsequential if there were no mounts or no NFS clients during the  
>> last reboot, but this is subtle.  I wouldn't bet on it.
> 
> If the state is only every communicated to hosts by notifications, then
> if we're not notifying, the update of the state can't matter.
I had the same notion... If there are no clients to notify, why would 
any clients care if our state changed??  With that said.... I do have a
sinking feeling that this patch will come back to bite us... 
It was just too easy of a fix... :-)

steved.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-10 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-29  0:13 Make sm-notify faster if there are no servers to notify Phil Endecott
     [not found] ` <1225239200402-YnoLgZYwwYuCbKHnblo0pmrPP3OPMK55cpQHUIT47Ck@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-29 17:18   ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-29 17:30     ` Phil Endecott
     [not found]       ` <1225301403729-YnoLgZYwwYuCbKHnblo0pmrPP3OPMK55cpQHUIT47Ck@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-29 17:37         ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-29 17:45           ` Phil Endecott
     [not found]             ` <1225302305994-YnoLgZYwwYuCbKHnblo0pmrPP3OPMK55cpQHUIT47Ck@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-29 18:41               ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-29 20:30                 ` Chuck Lever
2008-10-29 21:11                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-11-09 19:25                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-11-10  0:52                       ` Chuck Lever
2008-11-10  0:55                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-11-10  1:00                           ` Chuck Lever
2008-11-10  9:40                         ` Phil Endecott
2008-11-10 13:41                     ` Steve Dickson [this message]
     [not found]                       ` <49183A12.7010707-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-04 21:10                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05  3:34                           ` Neil Brown
     [not found]                             ` <18744.41310.635618.148281-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-05  3:58                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 13:26                                 ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                                   ` <49392C14.7000709-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-05 16:38                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 17:29                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 18:41                                         ` Chuck Lever
2008-12-06  2:42                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-08 19:50                                             ` Chuck Lever
2008-12-11 22:44                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 19:12                                         ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                                           ` <49397D1B.3000701-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-06  2:49                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-12-05 18:42                                       ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                                         ` <4939760A.9050304-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-06  3:08                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-10-31 17:52           ` Steve Dickson

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