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From: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	"jlayton@kernel.org" <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	"steved@redhat.com" <steved@redhat.com>
Cc: "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"loghyr@gmail.com" <loghyr@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH nfs-utils] exportfs: make "insecure" the default for all exports
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 14:09:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49fe5097-7622-43f1-a404-4d5e16cbb107@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c65a34cba5884a0d20fe3a9c9247919e2602fd40.camel@hammerspace.com>

On 6/5/25 12:48 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Wed, 2025-06-04 at 15:53 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 6/4/25 3:17 PM, Jeff Layton wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2025-06-04 at 14:26 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> On 5/13/25 9:50 AM, Jeff Layton wrote:
>>>>> Back in the 80's someone thought it was a good idea to carve
>>>>> out a set
>>>>> of ports that only privileged users could use. When NFS was
>>>>> originally
>>>>> conceived, Sun made its server require that clients use low
>>>>> ports.
>>>>> Since Linux was following suit with Sun in those days, exportfs
>>>>> has
>>>>> always defaulted to requiring connections from low ports.
>>>>>
>>>>> These days, anyone can be root on their laptop, so limiting
>>>>> connections
>>>>> to low source ports is of little value.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make the default be "insecure" when creating exports.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> In discussion at the Bake-a-thon, we decided to just go for
>>>>> making
>>>>> "insecure" the default for all exports.
>>>>> ---
>>>>>    support/nfs/exports.c      | 7 +++++--
>>>>>    utils/exportfs/exports.man | 4 ++--
>>>>>    2 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/support/nfs/exports.c b/support/nfs/exports.c
>>>>> index
>>>>> 21ec6486ba3d3945df0800972ba1dfd03bd65375..69f8ca8b5e2ed50b837ef
>>>>> 287ca0685af3e70ed0b 100644
>>>>> --- a/support/nfs/exports.c
>>>>> +++ b/support/nfs/exports.c
>>>>> @@ -34,8 +34,11 @@
>>>>>    #include "reexport.h"
>>>>>    #include "nfsd_path.h"
>>>>>    
>>>>> -#define EXPORT_DEFAULT_FLAGS	\
>>>>> - 
>>>>> (NFSEXP_READONLY|NFSEXP_ROOTSQUASH|NFSEXP_GATHERED_WRITES|NFSEX
>>>>> P_NOSUBTREECHECK)
>>>>> +#define EXPORT_DEFAULT_FLAGS	(NFSEXP_READONLY |	\
>>>>> +				 NFSEXP_ROOTSQUASH |	\
>>>>> +				 NFSEXP_GATHERED_WRITES |\
>>>>> +				 NFSEXP_NOSUBTREECHECK | \
>>>>> +				 NFSEXP_INSECURE_PORT)
>>>>>    
>>>>>    struct flav_info flav_map[] = {
>>>>>    	{ "krb5",	RPC_AUTH_GSS_KRB5,	1},
>>>>> diff --git a/utils/exportfs/exports.man
>>>>> b/utils/exportfs/exports.man
>>>>> index
>>>>> 39dc30fb8290213990ca7a14b1b3971140b0d120..0b62bb3a82b0e74bc2a7e
>>>>> b84301c4ec97b14d003 100644
>>>>> --- a/utils/exportfs/exports.man
>>>>> +++ b/utils/exportfs/exports.man
>>>>> @@ -180,8 +180,8 @@ understands the following export options:
>>>>>    .TP
>>>>>    .IR secure
>>>>>    This option requires that requests not using gss originate
>>>>> on an
>>>>> -Internet port less than IPPORT_RESERVED (1024). This option is
>>>>> on by default.
>>>>> -To turn it off, specify
>>>>> +Internet port less than IPPORT_RESERVED (1024). This option is
>>>>> off by default
>>>>> +but can be explicitly disabled by specifying
>>>>>    .IR insecure .
>>>>>    (NOTE: older kernels (before upstream kernel version 4.17)
>>>>> enforced this
>>>>>    requirement on gss requests as well.)
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> base-commit: 2cf015ea4312f37598efe9733fef3232ab67f784
>>>>> change-id: 20250513-master-89974087bb04
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>> My apologies but I got a bit lost in the fairly large thread
>>>> What as is consensus on this patch? Thumbs up or down.
>>>> Will there be a V2?
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering what type documentation impact this would
>>>> have on all docs out there that say one has to be root
>>>> to do the mount.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I'm not against the patch but as Neil pointed
>>>> out making things insecure is a different direction
>>>> that the rest of the world is going.
>>>>
>>>> my two cents,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thumbs down for now. Neil argued for a more measured approach to
>>> changing this.
>>>
>>> I started work on a manpage patch for exports(5) but it's not quite
>>> ready yet. I also want to look at converting some manpages to
>>> asciidoc
>>> as we go, to make future updates easier.
>> Sounds like a plan... Thanks!
>>
>> steved.
>>
>>
> 
> Can we please add an explanation to the manpage to let people know why
> this default is set?

That's exactly what Jeff is working on right now.


> It is basically in order to prevent any untrusted Tom, Dick or Harry
> from spinning up a userspace NFS client that spoofs a different user.
> 
> IOW: The assumption is that you should at least be able to trust the
> kernel NFS client to at provide the correct credential for an untrusted
> user.
> If you can't make that assumption, then your server should probably be
> configured to squash any AUTH_SYS credential supplied by this client.


-- 
Chuck Lever

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-05 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-13 13:50 [PATCH nfs-utils] exportfs: make "insecure" the default for all exports Jeff Layton
2025-05-13 14:17 ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-13 15:14 ` Lionel Cons
2025-05-13 15:35   ` Jeff Layton
2025-05-13 16:11   ` Chuck Lever
2025-06-04 17:12     ` Cedric Blancher
2025-06-04 18:20       ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-14  2:16 ` NeilBrown
2025-05-14  2:28   ` NeilBrown
2025-05-14 11:17     ` Jeff Layton
2025-05-14 11:43       ` NeilBrown
2025-05-14 12:02         ` Jeff Layton
2025-05-14 21:58           ` NeilBrown
2025-05-14 12:56         ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-14 21:47           ` NeilBrown
2025-05-15 12:01             ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-15 21:44               ` NeilBrown
2025-05-16 12:09                 ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-19  6:02                   ` NeilBrown
2025-05-19 11:39                     ` Jeff Layton
2025-05-19 14:16                     ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                       ` <4bee9565-c2a8-4b90-be57-7d1340fa9ed7@esat.kuleuven.be>
2025-05-19 20:51                         ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-20  1:44                       ` Rick Macklem
2025-05-20 13:20                         ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-25 17:29                           ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-26  0:09                             ` NeilBrown
2025-05-26  1:47                               ` Rick Macklem
2025-05-26  1:52                                 ` Rick Macklem
2025-05-26  2:29                                 ` NeilBrown
2025-05-28  0:57                                   ` Rick Macklem
2025-05-27 13:28                                 ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-27 15:05                               ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-27 15:58                                 ` Rick Macklem
2025-05-27 16:29                                 ` Rick Macklem
2025-05-27 16:58                                   ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-28  1:06                                     ` Rick Macklem
2025-05-27 19:18                                 ` Benjamin Coddington
2025-05-27 19:41                                   ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-27 20:25                                     ` Benjamin Coddington
2025-05-28 14:07                                       ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-28  1:24                                     ` NeilBrown
2025-05-28  2:48                                       ` Rick Macklem
2025-05-14 11:46     ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-14 12:28   ` Thomas Haynes
2025-05-14 21:49     ` NeilBrown
2025-05-14  2:38 ` NeilBrown
2025-05-14 11:20   ` Jeff Layton
2025-05-15  1:32     ` Christopher Bii
2025-05-21  9:06 ` Sebastian Feld
2025-05-21 12:25   ` Jeff Layton
2025-05-21 13:14   ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-21 13:43     ` Chuck Lever
2025-06-04 17:07 ` Cedric Blancher
2025-06-04 18:26 ` Steve Dickson
2025-06-04 18:45   ` Cedric Blancher
2025-06-04 19:17   ` Jeff Layton
2025-06-04 19:53     ` Steve Dickson
2025-06-05 16:48       ` Trond Myklebust
2025-06-05 18:09         ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2025-06-05  8:20     ` Cedric Blancher
2025-06-05 13:54       ` Chuck Lever

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