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From: "Chuck Lever" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
To: "Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Reinstate NFS exportability for JFFS2.
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:15:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <76bd70e30808031015l36db41bexf319e85ba7acc4e9@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18581.40178.976747.769343@notabene.brown>

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
> On Saturday August 2, bfields@fieldses.org wrote:
>>
>> Though really I can't see any great objection to just moving xfs's hack
>> up into nfsd.  It may not do everything, but it seems like an
>> incremental improvement.
>
> Because it is a hack, and hacks have a tendency to hide deeper
> problems, and not be ever get cleaned up and generally to become a
> burden to future generations.

Agreed that maintainability is an important concern.

However, I don't see that what David suggests in general is hiding a
deeper problem, but is rather exposing it.  Can you explain what you
think is the issue?

> However if you do go down that path, can I suggest:
>
>  1/ get rid of the word "hack" throughout the code.  If you think it
>    is sensible, make it appear sensible.

Yes, if we're going to codify this method of handling readdir, let's
document it properly and treat it as a first class API.

>  2/ drop the "retry malloc of a smaller size" thing.
>    In fact, you can probably use one of the set of pages that has
>    been reserved for the request.  It is very rare that a readdir
>    request will be as big as the largest read.

Well, many Linux clients support reading directories only a page at a
time (this limitation may have been lifted recently).  But other
clients often ask to read much more.

Again it appears that a Linux NFS client is not going to be the real
acid test here.  Solaris and FreeBSD would probably be the best to
try, I think.

>  3/ Make the new way unconditional.  That gives it broader test
>    coverage which can only be a good thing.  And what is good for the
>    goose is good for the gander... (not that I'm calling anyone a
>    goose).

As Bruce also suggested, and I agree with this (not the goose part,
the unconditionality and test coverage parts).

-- 
 "Alright guard, begin the unnecessarily slow-moving dipping mechanism."
--Dr. Evil

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-03 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1209670979.25560.587.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
     [not found] ` <20080501204820.GA5951@infradead.org>
     [not found]   ` <1209681898.25560.613.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
2008-05-02  1:38     ` [RFC] Reinstate NFS exportability for JFFS2 Neil Brown
2008-05-02 11:37       ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]         ` <1209728238.25560.686.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-02 14:08           ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-31 21:54       ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-01  0:16         ` Neil Brown
     [not found]           ` <18578.21997.529551.676627-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  0:40             ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]               ` <1217551230.3719.15.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  0:52                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-01  0:53               ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                 ` <76bd70e30807311753m2785c6d3kd82edd1fe8b5f8b7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  1:00                   ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                     ` <1217552437.3719.30.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  1:31                       ` Chuck Lever
2008-08-01  8:13                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-01 13:35                         ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                           ` <1217597759.3454.356.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01 13:56                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-01 16:05                               ` Chuck Lever
2008-08-01 16:19                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-01 17:47                                   ` Chuck Lever
2008-08-02 18:26                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-08-02 20:42                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-02 21:33                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-08-03  8:39                                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-03 11:56                                       ` Neil Brown
2008-08-03 17:15                                         ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2008-08-04  1:03                                           ` Neil Brown
2008-08-04 18:41                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-08-04 22:37                                               ` Neil Brown
     [not found]                                             ` <18582.21855.2092.903688-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-04  6:19                                               ` Chuck Lever
2008-08-05  8:51                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2008-08-05  8:59                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-05  9:47                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2008-08-05 23:06                                                   ` Neil Brown
2008-08-06  0:08                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2008-08-06 19:56                                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                                       ` <20080806195635.GA31126@fieldses.org>
2008-08-06 20:10                                                         ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                                           ` <1218053443.5111.148.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-09 16:47                                                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 19:55                                                               ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                                                 ` <1218311710.26926.125.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-09 20:01                                                                   ` [PATCH 1/4] Factor out nfsd_do_readdir() into its own function David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                                                     ` <1218312114.5063.5.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-09 20:07                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-09 20:02                                                                   ` [PATCH 2/4] Copy XFS readdir hack into nfsd code David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 20:08                                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-09 20:03                                                                   ` [PATCH 3/4] Remove XFS buffered readdir hack David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                                                     ` <1218312191.5063.8.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-09 20:09                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-09 20:03                                                                   ` [PATCH 4/4] Reinstate NFS exportability David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                                                     ` <1218312213.5063.9.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-09 20:10                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-17 18:22                                               ` [RFC] Reinstate NFS exportability for JFFS2 Andreas Dilger
2008-08-01  2:14               ` Neil Brown
     [not found]                 ` <18578.29049.38904.746701-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  8:50                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-01 10:03                   ` Al Viro
2008-08-01 23:11                     ` Neil Brown
2008-07-31 21:54       ` [PATCH 1/4] Factor out nfsd_do_readdir() into its own function David Woodhouse
2008-07-31 21:54       ` [PATCH 2/4] Copy XFS readdir hack into nfsd code, introduce FS_NO_LOOKUP_IN_READDIR flag David Woodhouse
2008-07-31 21:55       ` [PATCH 3/4] Switch XFS to using FS_NO_LOOKUP_IN_READDIR, remove local readdir hack David Woodhouse
     [not found]       ` <18458.28833.539314.455215-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-31 21:55         ` [PATCH 4/4] [JFFS2] Reinstate NFS exportability David Woodhouse

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