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From: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>
To: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>, Clay Mayers <Clay.Mayers@kioxia.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	"linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>,
	Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	Chaitanya Kulkarni <Chaitanya.Kulkarni@wdc.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 0/2] nvme: Support for fused NVME_IOCTL_SUBMIT_IO
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:24:12 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d2bc1899-3660-c0af-e5c9-dca7af8d2c0d@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210209031252.GA97526@C02WT3WMHTD6>

On 2/8/21 7:12 PM, Keith Busch wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 12:53:17AM +0000, Clay Mayers wrote:
>> Is there any other feedback on V2?
>>
>> My main concern I have about my implementation is how fused requests
>> are tunneled through the mq request layer.  The 1st request is marked as
>> started but it won't be in the device until the 2nd command is queued.  As
>> Keith pointed out, a device reset can split the two so care must be taken to
>> correctly handle this case.  Despite this, I thought this was a better approach
>> than modifying mq requests to be fused.  Especially given Christoph's
>> concern of cost vs value.  This is the lightest touch I could come up with.
>>
>> Further consideration of this patch may need a more compelling use case.
>> I've worked on a proprietary storage systems that relied on fused NVMeOF
>> support so it seems compelling to me.  There's a comment in target/core.c
>> that there is "no support for fused commands yet" implying it's been
>> considered.  Is pci only support for fused too soon or too little?  What would
>> make it more compelling?
> 
> The complications it introduces to the IO path and error handling for an
> archaic feature has me on the "Nak" side. NVMeOF was introduced well after the
> spec define Reservations, and the kernel has supported that capability for many
> years. I'm not aware of any other use case for fused commands, so it appears to
> be dead weight in the spec.

Hi Keith,

Do you agree that NVMe persistent reservation commands apply to an NVMe 
namespace in its entirety while fused compare-and-write commands allow 
to implement locking for subsets of the LBA range of a namespace? In 
other words, I think there is a valid use case for fused commands.

Thanks,

Bart.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-09 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-05 22:49 [PATCH 0/2] nvme: Support for fused NVME_IOCTL_SUBMIT_IO klayph
2021-01-05 22:49 ` [PATCH 1/2] nvme: support fused nvme requests klayph
2021-01-05 23:52   ` Keith Busch
2021-01-06 14:55     ` Clay Mayers
2021-01-06  0:35   ` James Smart
2021-01-06 15:01     ` Clay Mayers
2021-01-06  7:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-01-25 19:58   ` [PATCH V2 0/2] nvme: Support for fused NVME_IOCTL_SUBMIT_IO clay.mayers
2021-01-26  1:43     ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2021-01-26 18:17       ` Clay Mayers
2021-01-26 19:00         ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2021-01-26 21:14           ` Clay Mayers
2021-02-09  0:53           ` Clay Mayers
2021-02-09  3:12             ` Keith Busch
2021-02-09 15:24               ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2021-02-09 15:38               ` Clay Mayers
2021-02-09  7:54             ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-09 15:53               ` Clay Mayers
2021-01-25 19:58   ` [PATCH V2 1/2] nvme: support fused pci nvme requests clay.mayers
2021-01-25 19:58   ` [PATCH V2 2/2] nvme: support fused NVME_IOCTL_SUBMIT_IO clay.mayers
2021-01-05 22:49 ` [PATCH " klayph
2021-01-05 23:04 ` [PATCH 0/2] nvme: Support for " James Smart

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