Archive-only list for patches
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Thiago Macieira <thiago.macieira@intel.com>
To: "gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"Joseph, Jithu" <jithu.joseph@intel.com>,
	"hdegoede@redhat.com" <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	"markgross@kernel.org" <markgross@kernel.org>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org"
	<platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org>,
	"patches@lists.linux.dev" <patches@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Shankar, Ravi V" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	"Jimenez Gonzalez, Athenas" <athenas.jimenez.gonzalez@intel.com>,
	"Mehta, Sohil" <sohil.mehta@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Add current_batch sysfs entry
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:51:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2537334.Lt9SDvczpP@tjmaciei-mobl5> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y3DZmKYV+8HBtZ+Q@zn.tnic>

On Sunday, 13 November 2022 03:48:40 PST Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > You can't do it with a three-line shell script, but we're not
> > expecting that shell scripts are the means to use this feature in the
> > first place.
> 
> I consider it a serious design mistake of having to have a *special*
> tool. A special tool is *always* a burden. You need to build it, supply
> it, make sure it is installable on the target system and so on.
> 
> And I'm telling you this with my Linux distributor hat on. It is always
> a pain - trust me.
> 
[cut]
> IOW, I really think that designing our interfaces with user friendliness
> in mind should be of much more higher importance. And requiring the user
> to remember or figure out anything she doesn't really need to, in order
> to run the test is a burden.

We agree that it should be operable without a tool. If nothing else, we will 
run into situations where we need to debug what's happening and the tool is 
not going to work for those conditions. Having a direct access to the API 
right there in /sys is great and is one of the things that Linux excels at and 
differentiates itself from the competition with.

However, I am saying that we shouldn't have to go out of our way to make the 
extreme corner case easy if it comes to the detriment of the 99% case.

Anyway, we can update the tool to print "%02x-%02x-%02x-%02x.%s" instead of 
"%d". That's trivial to us. I just don't think it's a worthwhile change, 
because four of the five placeholders there are enforced by the kernel and 
therefore the kernel must check them again (maybe it does so anyway when it 
opens and validates the file).

What REALLY matters to me is that the current_batch file be readable and I can 
get the last batch that was loaded, in a well-known format. Without this, we 
go from "inconvenience" to "major design change, must talk to customers and 
customers must adapt their workloads". Please help me out here.

-- 
Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com
  Cloud Software Architect - Intel DCAI Cloud Engineering




  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-13 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-21 20:33 [PATCH 00/14] IFS multi test image support and misc changes Jithu Joseph
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 01/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove unused selection Jithu Joseph
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 02/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Propagate load failure error code Jithu Joseph
2022-10-24 22:52   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-10-24 23:17     ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 03/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: return a more appropriate Error code Jithu Joseph
2022-10-24 22:57   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-10-24 23:01     ` Luck, Tony
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 04/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove image loading during init Jithu Joseph
2022-10-24 23:50   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-10-25  0:41     ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-10-25  6:06       ` Sohil Mehta
2022-10-26 23:53         ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-01  7:00           ` Sohil Mehta
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 05/14] x86/microcode/intel: Expose find_matching_signature() for IFS Jithu Joseph
2022-11-02 19:03   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-02 21:32     ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 06/14] x86/microcode/intel: Use appropriate type in microcode_sanity_check() Jithu Joseph
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 07/14] x86/microcode/intel: Expose microcode_sanity_check() Jithu Joseph
2022-11-01  7:28   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-01 19:06     ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-03 11:33   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-03 19:25     ` Ashok Raj
2022-11-03 23:32       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-04  6:15     ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-04 10:50       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-04 22:02         ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-04 22:14           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 08/14] x86/microcode/intel: Meta-data support in microcode file Jithu Joseph
2022-11-01  8:51   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-01 18:05     ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-03 11:35   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 09/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Use generic microcode headers and functions Jithu Joseph
2022-11-01 18:37   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-01 21:07     ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 10/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Add metadata validation Jithu Joseph
2022-11-01 20:28   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-09 23:10   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 11/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove reload sysfs entry Jithu Joseph
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 12/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Add current_batch " Jithu Joseph
2022-11-01 22:26   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-01 23:27     ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-03  8:03       ` Sohil Mehta
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 13/14] Documentation/ABI: Update IFS ABI doc Jithu Joseph
2022-11-01 22:34   ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-01 22:48     ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-01 22:59       ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-02 22:10         ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-03  7:49           ` Sohil Mehta
2022-10-21 20:34 ` [PATCH 14/14] Revert "platform/x86/intel/ifs: Mark as BROKEN" Jithu Joseph
2022-11-03  8:21 ` [PATCH 00/14] IFS multi test image support and misc changes Sohil Mehta
2022-11-07  9:24 ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-07 23:01   ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-07 22:53 ` [PATCH v2 " Jithu Joseph
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove unused selection Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09  1:52     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10 21:03     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 02/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: return a more appropriate Error code Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09  1:57     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10 21:04     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove image loading during init Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09  1:59     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10 21:06     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 04/14] x86/microcode/intel: Expose find_matching_signature() for IFS Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09  2:06     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-11 13:44     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 05/14] x86/microcode/intel: Use appropriate type in microcode_sanity_check() Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09  2:47     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-11 13:46     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] x86/microcode/intel: Expose microcode_sanity_check() Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09  3:03     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-09  3:29       ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-11 14:33     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-11 21:39       ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] x86/microcode/intel: Use a reserved field for metasize Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09  3:06     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-11 14:37     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Add metadata support Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09  3:25     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10 21:08     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-11 16:16     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Use generic microcode headers and functions Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09  3:29     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10 21:11     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-11 16:23     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-11 20:41       ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-16 17:26       ` Tony Luck
2022-11-16 18:53         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-16 19:02           ` Luck, Tony
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Add metadata validation Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09 23:15     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10  1:22       ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-10  9:40         ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10 21:18     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-11 18:39     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-11 18:48       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-11 20:30         ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-11 21:29         ` Ashok Raj
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 11/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove reload sysfs entry Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09 23:16     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10 21:19     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 12/14] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Add current_batch " Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09 23:46     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10 21:22     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-12 16:26     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-12 18:21       ` Thiago Macieira
2022-11-12 19:20         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-12 19:58           ` Ashok Raj
2022-11-13  2:06           ` Thiago Macieira
2022-11-12 18:33       ` Luck, Tony
2022-11-12 19:28         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-12 23:32           ` Luck, Tony
2022-11-13  2:35             ` Thiago Macieira
2022-11-13  7:37         ` gregkh
2022-11-13 11:48           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-13 15:15             ` Ashok Raj
2022-11-13 15:58               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-13 17:01                 ` Ashok Raj
2022-11-13 18:41                   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-13 21:40                 ` Thiago Macieira
2022-11-13 22:59                   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-14 18:13                 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-14 18:25                   ` Luck, Tony
2022-11-14 19:03                   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-14 19:07                     ` Luck, Tony
2022-11-14 19:17                       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-14 19:38                         ` Luck, Tony
2022-11-14 19:51                           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-13 16:41             ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-13 16:58               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-13 17:55                 ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-13 18:27                   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-13 21:33                     ` Tony Luck
2022-11-13 22:55                       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-13 21:21                 ` Thiago Macieira
2022-11-13 22:40                   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-13 21:51             ` Thiago Macieira [this message]
2022-11-13 23:05               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-14  8:28                 ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-14  7:15             ` gregkh
2022-11-14 15:33               ` Tony Luck
2022-11-14 15:47                 ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 13/14] Documentation/ABI: Update IFS ABI doc Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09 23:55     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10  1:16       ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-10 21:33     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-07 22:53   ` [PATCH v2 14/14] Revert "platform/x86/intel/ifs: Mark as BROKEN" Jithu Joseph
2022-11-09 23:57     ` Sohil Mehta
2022-11-10 21:34     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-10  9:59   ` [PATCH v2 00/14] IFS multi test image support and misc changes Borislav Petkov
2022-11-10 21:37     ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-10 21:58       ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-17  3:59   ` [PATCH v3 00/16] " Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 01/16] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove unused selection Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 02/16] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Return a more appropriate Error code Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 03/16] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove image loading during init Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 04/16] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove memory allocation from load path Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  8:51       ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-17 17:29         ` Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17 18:01           ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-17 19:59             ` Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17 21:13               ` Hans de Goede
2022-11-17 22:44                 ` Joseph, Jithu
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 05/16] x86/microcode/intel: Reuse find_matching_signature() Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 06/16] x86/microcode/intel: Use appropriate type in microcode_sanity_check() Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 07/16] x86/microcode/intel: Reuse microcode_sanity_check() Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 08/16] x86/microcode/intel: Add hdr_type to intel_microcode_sanity_check() Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 09/16] x86/microcode/intel: Use a reserved field for metasize Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 10/16] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Add metadata support Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 11/16] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Use generic microcode headers and functions Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17 22:50       ` Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 12/16] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Add metadata validation Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17 23:04       ` Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 13/16] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Remove reload sysfs entry Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 14/16] platform/x86/intel/ifs: Add current_batch " Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 15/16] Documentation/ABI: Update IFS ABI doc Jithu Joseph
2022-11-17  3:59     ` [PATCH v3 16/16] Revert "platform/x86/intel/ifs: Mark as BROKEN" Jithu Joseph

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=2537334.Lt9SDvczpP@tjmaciei-mobl5 \
    --to=thiago.macieira@intel.com \
    --cc=ashok.raj@intel.com \
    --cc=athenas.jimenez.gonzalez@intel.com \
    --cc=bp@alien8.de \
    --cc=dave.hansen@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=hdegoede@redhat.com \
    --cc=hpa@zytor.com \
    --cc=jithu.joseph@intel.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=markgross@kernel.org \
    --cc=mingo@redhat.com \
    --cc=patches@lists.linux.dev \
    --cc=platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=ravi.v.shankar@intel.com \
    --cc=sohil.mehta@intel.com \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    --cc=tony.luck@intel.com \
    --cc=x86@kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox