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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>
Cc: "Mahesh J Salgaonkar" <mahesh@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"Dave Jiang" <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	"Alison Schofield" <alison.schofield@intel.com>,
	"Vishal Verma" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	"Ira Weiny" <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	linuxarm@huawei.com, terry.bowman@amd.com,
	"Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan"
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] pci: portdrv: Add auxiliary bus and register CXL PMUs (and aer)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:04:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240605180409.GA520888@bhelgaas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240529164103.31671-1-Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>

On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 05:40:54PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> Focus of this RFC is CXL Performance Monitoring Units in CXL Root Ports +
> Switch USP and DSPs.
> 
> The final patch moving AER to the aux bus is in the category of 'why
> not try this' rather than something I feel is a particularly good idea.
> I would like to get opinions on the various ways to avoid the double bus
> situation introduced here. Some comments on other options for those existing
> 'pci_express' bus devices at the end of this cover letter.
> 
> The primary problem this RFC tries to solve is providing a means to
> register the CXL PMUs found in devices which will be bound to the
> PCIe portdrv. The proposed solution is to avoid the limitations of
> the existing pcie service driver approach by bolting on support
> for devices registered on the auxiliary_bus.
> 
> Background
> ==========
> 
> When the CXL PMU driver was added, only the instances found in CXL type 3
> memory devices (end points) were supported. These PMUs also occur in CXL
> root ports, and CXL switch upstream and downstream ports.  Adding
> support for these was deliberately left for future work because theses
> ports are all bound to the pcie portdrv via the appropriate PCI class
> code.  Whilst some CXL support of functionality on RP and Switch Ports
> is handled by the CXL port driver, that is not bound to the PCIe device,
> is only instantiated as part of enumerating endpoints, and cannot use
> interrupts because those are in control of the PCIe portdrv. A PMU with
> out interrupts would be unfortunate so a different solution is needed.
> 
> Requirements
> ============
> 
> - Register multiple CXL PMUs (CPMUs) per portdrv instance.

What resources do CPMUs use?  BARs?  Config space registers in PCI
Capabilities?  Interrupts?  Are any of these resources
device-specific, or are they all defined by the CXL specs?

The "device" is a nice way to package those up and manage ownership
since there are often interdependencies.

I wish portdrv was directly implemented as part of the PCI core,
without binding to the device as a "driver".  We handle some other
pieces of functionality that way, e.g., the PCIe Capability itself,
PM, VPD, MSI/MSI-X, 

> - portdrv binds to the PCIe class code for PCI_CLASS_BRIDGE_PCI_NORMAL which
>   covers any PCI-Express port.
> - PCI MSI / MSIX message based interrupts must be registered by one driver -
>   in this case it's the portdrv.

The fact that AER/DPC/hotplug/etc (the portdrv services) use MSI/MSI-X
is a really annoying part of PCIe because bridges may have a BAR or
two and are allowed to have device-specific endpoint-like behavior, so
we may have to figure out how to share those interrupts between the
PCIe-architected stuff and the device-specific stuff.  I guess that's
messy no matter whether portdrv is its own separate driver or it's
integrated into the core.

> Side question.  Does anyone care if /sys/bus/pci_express goes away?
> - in theory it's ABI, but in practice it provides very little
>   actual ABI.

I would *love* to get rid of /sys/bus/pci_express, but I don't know
what, if anything, would break if we removed it.

Bjorn

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-05 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-29 16:40 [RFC PATCH 0/9] pci: portdrv: Add auxiliary bus and register CXL PMUs (and aer) Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-29 16:40 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] pci: pcie: Drop priv_data from struct pcie_device and use dev_get/set_drvdata() instead Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-29 16:40 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] pci: portdrv: Drop driver field for port type Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-29 16:40 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] pci: pcie: portdrv: Use managed device handling to simplify error and remove flows Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-29 16:40 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] auxiliary_bus: expose auxiliary_bus_type Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-29 16:40 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] pci: pcie: portdrv: Add a auxiliary_bus Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-29 16:41 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] cxl: Move CPMU register definitions to header Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-29 16:41 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] pci: pcie/cxl: Register an auxiliary device for each CPMU instance Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-29 16:41 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] perf: cxl: Make the cpmu driver also work with auxiliary_devices Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-29 16:41 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] pci: pcie: portdrv: aer: Switch to auxiliary_bus Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-05 18:04 ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2024-06-05 19:44   ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] pci: portdrv: Add auxiliary bus and register CXL PMUs (and aer) Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-06 12:57     ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-06 13:21       ` Lukas Wunner
2024-08-23 11:05         ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-08-28 21:11           ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-29 12:17             ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-05 11:23             ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-06 10:11               ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-09-06 17:18                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-10 16:47                   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-10 17:37                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-10 20:04                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-09-12 16:37                       ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-12 17:34                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-09-13 16:24                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-06-17  7:03       ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-07-04 16:14       ` Jonathan Cameron

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