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From: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@kernel.org>
Cc: "Bjorn Helgaas" <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Wilczyński" <kwilczynski@kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Nirmal Patel" <nirmal.patel@linux.intel.com>,
	"Jonathan Derrick" <jonathan.derrick@linux.dev>,
	"Jeff Johnson" <jjohnson@kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	ath12k@lists.infradead.org, ath11k@lists.infradead.org,
	ath10k@lists.infradead.org,
	"Krishna Chaitanya Chundru" <krishna.chundru@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	"Qiang Yu" <qiang.yu@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	"Emmanuel Grumbach" <egrumbach@gmail.com>,
	"Matthew Garrett" <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/8] PCI/ASPM: Add pci_force_enable_link_state() API and convert Atheros drivers
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2026 13:17:29 +0300 (EEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ceaf259-ae07-efa1-911f-4cc86a2710c2@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <atG61oicHbsLKiib@debian>

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On Fri, 16 Oct 2026, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 03:51:17PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > [+cc Emmanuel, Matthew]
> > 
> > On Wed, Jul 08, 2026 at 04:30:14PM +0200, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > This series converts the atheros WLAN drivers (ath10k/ath11k/ath12k) to
> > > use the PCI core ASPM APIs for enabling/disabling ASPM instead of writing
> > > to the LNKCTL register directly. Touching LNKCTL behind the PCI core's
> > > back leaves the ASPM service driver's view of the link state out of sync
> > > with the hardware, which is not nice.
> > > 
> > > The catch is that these drivers save the currently enabled ASPM states,
> > > disable ASPM before firmware download, and restore the saved states
> > > afterwards. pci_enable_link_state() cannot restore states that were
> > > disabled via pci_disable_link_state() or blacklisted during init (like
> > > the pre-1.1 device blacklist, which is only meant to be overridden with
> > > pcie_aspm=force), and that is intentional. So the save/restore sequence
> > > cannot be expressed with the existing APIs.
> > > 
> > > In v2 I tried to fix this by making pci_enable_link_state*() symmetric
> > > with the disable APIs, but as pointed out during review, that also ends
> > > up overriding the init-time blacklist for every caller (including VMD),
> > > which is not something we want. So instead, this version adds a separate
> > > pci_force_enable_link_state() API (patch 2) that re-enables the requested
> > > states unconditionally. The caller is responsible for only asking for
> > > states the device actually supports, and the ath drivers do this by
> > > restoring exactly what pcie_aspm_enabled() reported earlier.
> > > 
> > > The first five patches touch the PCI core: patch 1 (from Ilpo) makes
> > > pci_disable_link_state() disable ASPM unconditionally, patch 2 adds the
> > > new API, patch 3 moves the D0 transition needed before enabling PCI-PM
> > > L1 PM Substates (PCIe r6.0, sec 5.5.4) into the shared helper and drops
> > > it from the vmd and pcie-qcom callers, patch 4 cleans up the kernel-doc,
> > > and patch 5 makes pcie_aspm_enabled() return the enabled state mask so it
> > > can be used for save/restore. The last three patches convert the ath
> > > drivers.
> > > 
> > > Testing
> > > =======
> > > 
> > > I've tested this series on a Lenovo Thinkpad T14s with WCN7850 (so that's
> > > just the ath12k driver). Rest of the drivers are compile tested only.
> > > 
> > > Merging Strategy
> > > ================
> > > 
> > > Even though there is no build dependency between the PCI core and atheros
> > > patches, there is a functional dependency. So I'd recommend creating an
> > > immutable branch with the PCI patches and merging that branch into both
> > > the PCI and linux-wireless trees, and finally merging the atheros patches
> > > into the linux-wireless tree.
> > > 
> > > If the immutable branch seems like a hassle, then the PCI core patches
> > > could get merged first and the atheros patches can wait for the next
> > > cycle.
> > > 
> > > - Mani
> > > 
> > > Changes in v3:
> > > * Dropped the change that made pci_enable_link_state*() symmetric with the
> > >   disable APIs. Instead added a new pci_force_enable_link_state() API used
> > >   only by the ath drivers, so the init-time blacklist stays overridable
> > >   only via pcie_aspm=force and existing callers like VMD are left
> > >   untouched.
> > > * Fixed the locked path to use pci_set_power_state_locked() for the D0
> > >   transition. The previous version called the non-locked variant, which
> > >   re-acquires pci_bus_sem.
> > > * ath drivers now disable PCIE_LINK_STATE_ASPM_ALL instead of
> > >   PCIE_LINK_STATE_ALL so that CLKPM is preserved and can be restored
> > >   (pcie_aspm_enabled() doesn't report CLKPM).
> > > * Reworked the kernel-doc patch to cover both the enable and disable APIs
> > >   and reference the new API.
> > > * Rebased on top of v7.2-rc1.
> > > 
> > > Changes in v2:
> > > * Reworked the pcie_aspm_enabled() API to return the enabled states
> > >   instead of bool and used it to save/restore the ASPM states in ath
> > >   drivers.
> > > * Added a patch from Ilpo to disable ASPM even if BIOS didn't grant
> > >   permission.
> > > * Added the CONFIG_PCIEASPM dependency to ath{10/11/12}k drivers.
> > > * Rebased on top of v6.17-rc1.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Manivannan Sadhasivam <manivannan.sadhasivam@oss.qualcomm.com>
> > > ---
> > > Ilpo Järvinen (1):
> > >       PCI/ASPM: Always disable ASPM when driver requests it
> > 
> > I put this first patch on pci/aspm for v7.4 because there seems to be
> > a consensus that it's better to have the ASPM core disable things even
> > if it doesn't technically have control of ASPM, because the
> > alternative is that drivers just do it themselves, also ignoring ASPM
> > ownership concerns.  Having the drivers do it just means the PCI core
> > ASPM support doesn't know what's happening.
> > 
> > I think we should defer the rest of these because I think there's a
> > little room to make the enable/disable/force-enable dance more
> > intuitive for the drivers.  As far as I know, the rest of the series
> > is definite cleanups but doesn't fix any actual functional issues.
> > 
> 
> I wouldn't just categorize the rest of the patches as mere cleanups. They are
> indeed fixing an obvious race between PCI core and the driver doing ASPM dance
> at the same time.

Agreed.

> But for sure, even after these patches, one can trigger the
> same race between sysfs 'config' and the driver/PCI core, but that's more of an
> user trying to perform an action to trigger a race vs race happening within the
> kernel without user intervention (which is too bad).

Which is why I suggested moving to a counter based approach so we could 
arbitrarily overlap any number of disable/enable pairs for a state in 
arbitrary order, no matter what's the source.

> I'd really like to see a way forward for these patches, even with a new API and
> not let them fall through the cracks.

Me too. The needs have simply outgrown the old API (which was never good 
anyway due to its asymmetry caveat).

-- 
 i.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-16 10:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-08 14:30 [PATCH v3 0/8] PCI/ASPM: Add pci_force_enable_link_state() API and convert Atheros drivers Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:30 ` [PATCH v3 1/8] PCI/ASPM: Always disable ASPM when driver requests it Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:44   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 23:07   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-10-16  5:38     ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:30 ` [PATCH v3 2/8] PCI/ASPM: Add pci_force_enable_link_state() API Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:44   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-12 22:58   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-10-13 11:41     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2026-10-13 16:31       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-10-13 17:42         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2026-10-16  3:03           ` Val Packett
2026-07-08 14:30 ` [PATCH v3 3/8] PCI/ASPM: Transition the device to D0 (if required) when enabling ASPM link states Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:50   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-02 22:55   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-07-08 14:30 ` [PATCH v3 4/8] PCI/ASPM: Improve the kernel-doc for pci_{enable,disable}_link_state*() APIs Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:37   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-08 14:30 ` [PATCH v3 5/8] PCI/ASPM: Return enabled ASPM states from pcie_aspm_enabled() API Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:36   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-08 14:30 ` [PATCH v3 6/8] wifi: ath12k: Use pci_{enable/disable}_link_state() APIs to enable/disable ASPM states Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:49   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-10 20:25   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-07-31  5:34     ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-08-03 17:08       ` Ilpo Järvinen
2026-07-08 14:30 ` [PATCH v3 7/8] wifi: ath11k: " Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:47   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-08 14:30 ` [PATCH v3 8/8] wifi: ath10k: " Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-07-08 14:51   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-14 20:51 ` [PATCH v3 0/8] PCI/ASPM: Add pci_force_enable_link_state() API and convert Atheros drivers Bjorn Helgaas
2026-10-15  8:35   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2026-10-16  5:58   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-10-16 10:17     ` Ilpo Järvinen [this message]
2026-10-16 22:09     ` Bjorn Helgaas

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