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From: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: "Alistair Francis" <alistair23@gmail.com>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>, <lukas@wunner.de>,
	<linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>, <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	<bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>, <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	<gary@garyguo.net>, <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alistair Francis" <alistair.francis@wdc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/22] lib: Rust implementation of SPDM
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2026 17:02:40 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM596TT7E841.1U05OKY9N6I6C@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKmqyKOkmwompJqaP2k-oJicmXmqHY4E0wuLcrvkHLx+oauQ2Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu Oct 15, 2026 at 2:23 PM JST, Alistair Francis wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2026 at 6:54 AM Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 11:11:01AM +1000, alistair23@gmail.com wrote:
>> > From: Alistair Francis <alistair.francis@wdc.com>
>> >
>> > Security Protocols and Data Models (SPDM) [1] is used for authentication,
>> > attestation and key exchange. SPDM is generally used over a range of
>> > transports, such as PCIe, MCTP/SMBus/I3C, ATA, SCSI, NVMe or TCP.
>> >
>> > From the kernels perspective SPDM is used to authenticate and attest devices.
>> > In this threat model a device is considered untrusted until it can be verified
>> > by the kernel and userspace using SPDM. As such SPDM data is untrusted data
>> > that can be mallicious.
>> >
>> > The SPDM specification is also complex, with the 1.2.1 spec being almost 200
>> > pages and the 1.3.0 spec being almost 250 pages long.
>> >
>> > As such we have the kernel parsing untrusted responses from a complex
>> > specification, which sounds like a possible exploit vector. This is the type
>> > of place where Rust excels!
>> >
>> > This series implements a SPDM requester in Rust.
>>
>> So I looked a bit at this, and here are some comments. I will not repeat
>> what Alexandre has already said.
>>
>> First, I'd like to say that it's good to see that all wire-format
>> parsing in lib/rspdm/validator.rs is written in completely safe Rust.
>> That's exactly what we want to see for parsing in Rust. We want the code
>> to have basically no unsafe code whatsoever so that we really get to
>> rely on the bullet-proof guarantees about bugs being caught at compile
>> time, or at least at runtime.
>>
>> Unfortunately it looks like the same cannot be said for the state
>> machine in lib/rspdm/state.rs, which has way too much unsafe code in its
>> interaction with the rest of the kernel. There needs to be more
>> intermediate Rust abstractions here. This file should not have *any*
>> unsafe code, except maybe 1-2 blocks for using the C transport and
>> validate function pointers.
>
> Yeah, it's the crypto functions. There are currently no bindings, so
> it's just directly calling the C functions.
>
> Without the crypto functions it's just a single unsafe call to
> `transport_function()` in `state.rs` and a few in `lib.rs` to handl
> the C <-> FFI boundy.
>
> I was trying to avoid adding crypto and X.509 bindings in this series,
> as that's a few more subsystems this ends up touching. We need to add
> PQC as well, so crypto bindings are next on the todo list once this is
> merged.
>
> Is this going to stall on adding crypto bindings?

So without going all the way to fully-fledged crypto bindings, you will
spare yourself and your reviewers quite a bit of pain if you at least
implement a safe and lightweight crypto wrapper that is local to SPDM
and could eventually grow into official crypto bindings as a future
effort. As it is the code is very hard to review: for instance
`crypto_free_shash` is always called after `free_desc`, and looks like
it could/should be part of it, but that's hard to assess as the crypto
code is mixed with the rest and called here and there. I just cannot
tell whether all these unsafe blocks are safe of not, which is a problem
since the goal of writing this in Rust is to prevent exploits.

A self-contained crypto module exposing a safe interface would remove
that burden, reduce the number of `unsafe` blocks, and make the series
easier to review globally while not necessarily resulting in more code.
You just need to store the relevant pointers into a new data structure,
enforce the required invariants at construction time, and codify the
actions that SPDM is already doing in the form of methods.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-15  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-28  1:11 [PATCH v4 00/22] lib: Rust implementation of SPDM alistair23
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 01/22] virt: coco: change tsm_register() to use a const struct alistair23
2026-09-28  1:41   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 02/22] rust: transmute: add `cast_slice[_mut]` functions alistair23
2026-09-28  1:35   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-14 15:16   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 03/22] rust: create basic untrusted data API alistair23
2026-09-28  1:41   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-14 15:17   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 04/22] rust: validate: add `Validate` trait alistair23
2026-09-28  1:41   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 05/22] X.509: Make certificate parser public alistair23
2026-09-28  1:39   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 06/22] X.509: Parse Subject Alternative Name in certificates alistair23
2026-09-28  1:39   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 07/22] X.509: Move certificate length retrieval into new helper alistair23
2026-09-28  1:36   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 08/22] rust: add bindings for hash.h alistair23
2026-09-28  1:43   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 09/22] rust: error: impl From<FromBytesWithNulError> for Kernel Error alistair23
2026-09-28  1:36   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 10/22] lib: rspdm: Initial commit of Rust SPDM alistair23
2026-09-28  1:45   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-14 15:17   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-15  3:06     ` Alistair Francis
2026-10-15  7:29       ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 11/22] PCI/TSM: Rename pf0 to host alistair23
2026-09-28  1:41   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 12/22] PCI/TSM: Support connecting to PCIe CMA devices alistair23
2026-09-28  1:43   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 13/22] PCI/CMA: Add a PCI TSM CMA driver using SPDM alistair23
2026-09-28  1:43   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 14/22] PCI/CMA: Validate Subject Alternative Name in certificates alistair23
2026-09-28  1:44   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 15/22] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM get_version alistair23
2026-09-28  1:39   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 16/22] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM get_capabilities alistair23
2026-09-28  1:41   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 17/22] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM negotiate_algorithms alistair23
2026-09-28  1:45   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:11 ` [PATCH v4 18/22] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM get_digests alistair23
2026-09-28  1:45   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:31 ` [PATCH v4 19/22] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM get_certificate alistair23
2026-09-28  1:31   ` [PATCH v4 20/22] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM certificate validation alistair23
2026-09-28  1:47     ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:31   ` [PATCH v4 21/22] rust: allow extracting the buffer from a CString alistair23
2026-09-28  1:41     ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:31   ` [PATCH v4 22/22] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM challenge alistair23
2026-09-28  1:46     ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28  1:43   ` [PATCH v4 19/22] lib: rspdm: Support SPDM get_certificate sashiko-bot
2026-10-14 15:16 ` [PATCH v4 00/22] lib: Rust implementation of SPDM Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-15  4:17   ` Alistair Francis
2026-10-14 20:54 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-10-15  5:23   ` Alistair Francis
2026-10-15  5:54     ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-10-15  8:02     ` Alexandre Courbot [this message]

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