From: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
To: Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>
Cc: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] liveupdate: Replace compatibility string with a 2-bit pair feature header
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2026 13:44:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <auIvjVmWnsVPN_9g@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2vxz8q3hoicx.fsf@kernel.org>
On 10-28 18:17, Pratyush Yadav wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26 2026, David Matlack wrote:
>
> > On 2026-10-25 04:38 PM, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2026 at 9:50 AM David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com> wrote:
> >
> [...]
> >> The reason I care about keeping the header compact is that we are
> >> defining a foundational kernel ABI and want to use this header across
> >> almost every serialized data structure so we can evolve them later
> >> without breaking compatibility. While some top-level structs are on
> >> sparse folios today, other serialized structs are tightly packed, and
> >> we are looking to add KHO slab support in the future where tightly
> >> packed allocations will be common.
> >
> > My intuition is we will have a small number of headers per preserved
> > file and per preserved FLB. One for the top-level struct and then
> > optionally a few more for sub-structs like arch-specific data. That is
> > why I am less worried 8 bytes per header, even if we fix the folio
> > problem.
> >
> > Maybe where our visions differ is when there are collections of
> > serialized structs, like KHO blocks. For collections I don't think the
> > elements will each have their own headers. Otherwise the elements could
> > be different sizes.
>
> kho_block today doesn't store entry_size in the serialized payload. It
> relies on its caller to do so. With extensible structures, this can get
> messy. Sure, the owner of the kho_block_set can track the size somewhere
> in its payload, but perhaps we should store the size in
> kho_block_header_ser to begin with?
I agree, and we will discuss versioned vs. owned serialized data
structures separately. With this series, we establish a common
framework: size/feature flags and accessors, and we update most of our
serialized structs to include them. All "shared" structs (e.g., KHO,
FLB, radix-tree, block_sets, etc.) should have their own versioning.
kho_block_header_ser should have this header.
Pasha
>
> Anyway, not a problem this series needs to solve, but something we
> should eventually do.
>
> [...]
>
> --
> Regards,
> Pratyush Yadav
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-28 17:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-21 15:25 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] liveupdate: Feature header ABI and named handler Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 15:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] liveupdate: Rename handler compatible to name Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 17:11 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 18:16 ` tarunsahu
2026-10-21 19:11 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 19:35 ` tarunsahu
2026-10-23 7:44 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-10-23 21:51 ` tarunsahu
2026-10-22 15:26 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-21 15:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] liveupdate: Select file handler by name in the preserve ioctl Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 17:17 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 23:02 ` David Matlack
2026-10-22 1:14 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-22 17:57 ` David Matlack
2026-10-22 12:50 ` tarunsahu
2026-10-22 13:42 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-22 15:26 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-21 15:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] liveupdate: Replace compatibility string with a 2-bit pair feature header Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 17:27 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 17:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 17:55 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 18:40 ` tarunsahu
2026-10-21 18:46 ` David Matlack
2026-10-21 18:50 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 23:28 ` David Matlack
2026-10-22 1:26 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-22 2:57 ` David Matlack
2026-10-22 3:32 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-22 3:52 ` David Matlack
2026-10-22 4:11 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-22 17:51 ` David Matlack
2026-10-22 20:53 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-23 13:50 ` David Matlack
2026-10-25 20:38 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-26 20:49 ` David Matlack
2026-10-27 16:21 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-27 17:33 ` David Matlack
2026-10-28 17:17 ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-10-28 17:24 ` David Matlack
2026-10-28 17:47 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-28 17:44 ` Pasha Tatashin [this message]
2026-10-21 23:55 ` David Matlack
2026-10-22 0:04 ` David Matlack
2026-10-26 11:50 ` tarunsahu
2026-10-26 21:14 ` David Matlack
2026-10-26 23:28 ` tarunsahu
2026-10-27 0:01 ` David Matlack
2026-10-27 0:55 ` Tarun Sahu
2026-10-27 3:26 ` David Matlack
2026-10-27 16:40 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-27 17:37 ` David Matlack
2026-10-27 21:57 ` tarunsahu
2026-10-22 15:26 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-21 15:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] mm: memfd_luo: Add the " Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 17:38 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 23:18 ` David Matlack
2026-10-22 0:41 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-22 2:51 ` David Matlack
2026-10-22 3:50 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-22 15:26 ` sashiko-bot
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