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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Fam Zheng <fam.zheng@bytedance.com>
Cc: fam@euphon.net, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>,
	linyongting@bytedance.com, songmuchun@bytedance.com,
	satish.kumar@bytedance.com, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	yuanzhu@bytedance.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, liangma@bytedance.com,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	guojinhui.liam@bytedance.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Thom Hughes <thom.hughes@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [RFC 0/5] parker: PARtitioned KERnel
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2025 08:32:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <113902a5-a635-4d21-8192-8c6d482e88bf@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG+v+KZL8teU5ReRNEJ2sdKgP02+K26DLMt2=KapZPfqcSWM3A@mail.gmail.com>

On 2025-09-25 00:26, Fam Zheng wrote:
>> From: "H. Peter Anvin"<hpa@zytor.com>
>> The difference is that this is highly invasive to the OS, which affects developers and users not wanting this feature.
> 
> Yeah that makes sense, thanks for clarifying. By having a hypervisor
> at least in early boot of secondary kernels, we don't need to patch
> device enumeration etc. In the kernel code.
> 
> Once the kernel is up, it can be then promoted to run directly on bare
> metal, so zero performance overhead.

Realistically you would remain in the hypervisor, but nothing or almost
nothing will trap into the hypervisor, so again, zero or negligible
performance overhead.  You also *can* put some isolation or protection
features in the low-level hypervisor.

The important thing here is that the maintenance burden *and* the policy
choices fall on the users of the feature, and as the upstream maintainers
cannot and thus will not test this use case, it is likely to break on a
regular basis.

This is basically "paravirt_ops all over again." There are very good reasons
we are trying to get rid of them.

	-hpa


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-25 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-23 15:31 [RFC 0/5] parker: PARtitioned KERnel Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 1/5] x86/boot/e820: Fix memmap to parse with 1 argument Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 2/5] x86/smpboot: Export wakeup_secondary_cpu_via_init Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 3/5] x86/parker: Introduce parker kerfs interface Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 4/5] x86/parker: Add parker initialisation code Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 5/5] x86/apic: Make Parker instance use physical APIC Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 19:46 ` [RFC 0/5] parker: PARtitioned KERnel H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-24 15:22 ` Dave Hansen
2025-09-24 16:21   ` [External] " Fam Zheng
2025-09-24 18:32     ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]       ` <CABgc4wRgpYNARf+7MhsadfXjDJ0Vd01OoqnVdrW3m6dXMzQSaQ@mail.gmail.com>
2025-09-24 20:13         ` Fam Zheng
2025-09-24 19:01   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]     ` <CABgc4wTjc9nxmB16LkxiOL5gYO9K8kr46OqM=asyUkX7cT50Sg@mail.gmail.com>
2025-09-24 20:14       ` Fam Zheng
2025-09-24 22:13         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-25  7:26           ` [External] " Fam Zheng
2025-09-25 15:32             ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2025-10-22 12:11     ` Pavel Machek
2025-10-23  1:26       ` H. Peter Anvin

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